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robogone · Post by **robogone** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:41 pm

Check out some Isao Tomita stuff

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:45 pm

Chocolate Weasel (AKA T Power) made tracks in 5/4 to make them deliberatly difficult to fit in a mix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qWR_hjSXsE

A very "smart" move, nobody heard from them again

Chapelle · Post by **Chapelle** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:42 pm

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:55 pm

fese wrote:Btw, isn't "Boten Anna" a classic 4/4 with just the synth hook in triplets??

Is that 9/12 then? Every third 4/4 bar will conjure with the triplets.

liv · Post by **liv** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:55 pm

I remember sometime -99 I heard this Amon Tobin track which inspired me a lot at the time. Still a great track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvNWkCbCLH0

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:18 pm

EW95 wrote:venetian snares loves his quintuple and septuple meters for some reason

better flow in 3's, 5's and 7's. once you use them, everything else seems so, erm...straight

Lost_Highway · Post by **Lost_Highway** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:02 pm

Has the thread title had the word electronica in it all along? If so, I didn't notice that

and the OP...

Monib wrote:Genre doesn't matter, other the Electronica

...wasn't at all clear. Is that any genre as long as it isn't electronica, or that it should only be electronic(a) sub-genres?

So maybe I was wasting my words talking 'bout prog...

Anyway, here's the Camel track I mentioned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB6KOW9lUbc?t=1m48s

Numanoid wrote:
fese wrote:Btw, isn't "Boten Anna" a classic 4/4 with just the synth hook in triplets??
Is that 9/12 then? Every third 4/4 bar will conjure with the triplets.

Having subjected myself to that

, as fese said, it sounds to be 4/4 with a triplet for each beat, so 12 triplets over the four-to-the-floor. Or you could sort of think of it as 12/8, with each beat being a dotted crotchet (three quavers).

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:better flow in 3's, 5's and 7's. once you use them, everything else seems so, erm...straight

Exactly. I love the push and pull you get from the mixture of duplets and triplets in 'odd' time signatures. Hell, 4/4 can be vaguely interesting if you group the quavers as 3+3+2.

Personally, I tend to prefer longer meters like 10/8 (2+2+3+3) or 13/8 (2+2+3+3+3)

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:13 pm

Here is one I did in 9 =3x3:
http://simonstockhausen.bandcamp.com/track/drowned

liv · Post by **liv** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:22 pm

Lost_Highway wrote: Personally, I tend to prefer longer meters like 10/8 (2+2+3+3) or 13/8 (2+2+3+3+3)

Hehe... heres an old gem. R.I.P.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7AZjx9sz7k

Monib · Post by **Monib** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:48 pm

Lost_Highway wrote:Has the thread title had the word electronica in it all along? If so, I didn't notice that and the OP...

Monib wrote:Genre doesn't matter, other the Electronica
...wasn't at all clear. Is that any genre as long as it isn't electronica, or that it should only be electronic(a) sub-genres? So maybe I was wasting my words talking 'bout prog...

Anyway, here's the Camel track I mentioned

Numanoid wrote:
fese wrote:Btw, isn't "Boten Anna" a classic 4/4 with just the synth hook in triplets??
Is that 9/12 then? Every third 4/4 bar will conjure with the triplets.
Having subjected myself to that , as fese said, it sounds to be 4/4 with a triplet for each beat, so 12 triplets over the four-to-the-floor. Or you could sort of think of it as 12/8, with each beat being a dotted crotchet (three quavers).

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:better flow in 3's, 5's and 7's. once you use them, everything else seems so, erm...straight
Exactly. I love the push and pull you get from the mixture of duplets and triplets in 'odd' time signatures. Hell, 4/4 can be vaguely interesting if you group the quavers as 3+3+2.

Personally, I tend to prefer longer meters like 10/8 (2+2+3+3) or 13/8 (2+2+3+3+3)

Haha, sorry, thanks for the suggestions though. I definetly listen to some Prog Rock and I'll check it out.

Monib

cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:58 pm

Sendy wrote:BTW, when you mention Orbus Terrarum, there's a track, I think it's Oxbow Lakes, with the piano. I believe the phrases in that track don't even have predictable barlines. You have phrases of 3, 4, 5, 6 beats strung together. There might be a longform repeating pattern, but if there is, it's not immediately discernable.

Electronic music with a regular tempo but without regular barlines is extremely rare, but interesting to me.

Such a lovely song.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:09 pm

cytospur wrote:
Sendy wrote:BTW, when you mention Orbus Terrarum, there's a track, I think it's Oxbow Lakes, with the piano. I believe the phrases in that track don't even have predictable barlines. You have phrases of 3, 4, 5, 6 beats strung together. There might be a longform repeating pattern, but if there is, it's not immediately discernable.

Electronic music with a regular tempo but without regular barlines is extremely rare, but interesting to me.
Such a lovely song.

Yes. I wanted to post it from Youtube, it used to be up on there, but it seems to have been taken down. In a way, kinda sad, but in a way, I'm kinda happy, because sharing stuff for free can make it worthless. I have the CD and it's one of my all time faves.

cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:12 pm

Here's a link for Oxbow Lakes:

http://www.muzu.tv/the-orb/oxbow-lakes- ... eo/236940/

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:43 pm

Ok, I counted the phrase lengths in Oxbow Lakes, and I got:

4, 4, 4, 5
4, 4, 3, 4
4, 5, 4, 3

This pattern repeats, as various 4/4 figures fade in and out in the background. The effect is very dizzying and disorienting. I've composed in 3, 4, 5, 7 and 13 beats, and on a couple of tracks I switch from one sig to another here and there, but I've never tried mixing the meters up like that before. It's got to be worth a shot.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:53 pm

Here's some acid jungle without a discernable permanent time signature. This probably isn't to everybody's taste

http://soundcloud.com/beatwife/squarefucher

Electronica Music in Meter Other Then 4/4???