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Author Topic: The Yamaha EZ-EG Guitar Midi Controller Thread
Maruuk
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:42 pm reply with quote
Hey, rather than it gathering dust, blow it my way. Got PayPal, will pay well.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:03 pm reply with quote
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The knobs do not send MIDI.

Pitch arm sends Pitch Wheel messages (14-bit), but its sort of "stepped" so it doesn't give you full continuous values, unfortunately!

OK, to bad.. Stepping isnt nice on filter frequencies, pitch etc.
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You could, however, treat these messages as two different mod sources, mapping the down messages versus the up messages. (See the MFX PW Map plugin at my site by way of example)

You mean to use two buttons, one up and one down? Absolutely no way want to do that!

BTW can you use the guitar cord shcool thing upside down as a left handed?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:15 pm reply with quote
They are right handed only, read a couple pages back with some guy who switched the inside of the fretboard around or something, to make it left handed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:40 pm reply with quote
RunBeerRun wrote:
They are right handed only, read a couple pages back with some guy who switched the inside of the fretboard around or something, to make it left handed.


Haha, realy? Perhaps I will do that too! Smile

edit: do you remember his name or something I can searh for? Theres a lot of "left" in theese almost 100 pages!

Just id realy love to be able to control at least the filter on the synths.. Perhaps with a pedal, but id imagine my foot get the cramps in few minutes!! I do constant filter modulation, like a vocalists voice.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:37 pm reply with quote
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edit: do you remember his name or something I can searh for? Theres a lot of "left" in theese almost 100 pages!

I'm one of the guys. The other is Marc Bangerter. We both did an EZ-*G guitar app based on Marc's ActiveX control. Check out my site for one of them.

I don't think the EZ units have a built in lefty mode, however.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:41 pm reply with quote
The guy I was referring to, that physically switched the fretboard to make it a lefty, that was just a few pages back, I wouldn't have said that if it was like 50 pages back.

If you can do it with an hta script, that would be obviously way easier(as mentioned in the post above this).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:57 pm reply with quote
Markleford wrote:
Sleepwalker wrote:
edit: do you remember his name or something I can searh for? Theres a lot of "left" in theese almost 100 pages!

I'm one of the guys. The other is Marc Bangerter. We both did an EZ-*G guitar app based on Marc's ActiveX control. Check out my site for one of them.

I don't think the EZ units have a built in lefty mode, however.

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You can make it lefty with your script? Way cool man! Smile
So you dont have to change or flip the hardware?

I dont actualy have it yet, im bidding on it in an auction, but hopfully I have it in a few days..
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thegodofbass
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:59 pm reply with quote
This thread has basically become too long. This is like 4 years of info in one long line. I found this thread a couple of weeks ago and I still haven't made it through it all!

There's enough info here to make a mini-site I think. There are so many issues covered - from how to source them to how to mod them - so I think I might try setting up a page or 2 and collate this info.

Looks like Markleford has been a constant source of info and scriptage - any suggestions for what should go up there?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:06 pm reply with quote
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You can make it lefty with your script? Way cool man! Smile
So you dont have to change or flip the hardware?

You can interpret the outgoing MIDI data to be lefty, but the internal sound generation won't be. That is, unless you can find what RunBeerRun was on about: I suppose I vaguely remember a report from someone who broke the unit open and was getting familiar with the internals...

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Looks like Markleford has been a constant source of info and scriptage - any suggestions for what should go up there?

Well, I'm not exactly "constant": I'd moved at the beginning of 2006 and put my development on hiatus, and the EG-EZ has been in the box since. I moved again at the end of 2007 and haven't yet broken out all the old boxes: for all I know, I may have lost it in the move! HiHi

I suppose one of us might have been tempted to make a mini-site in the past (I only have the smallest info bits on my site), but it almost seemed from the beginning that Yamaha would never give the EZ-G's the chance they deserved. That sort of did-in the enthusiasm!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:46 pm reply with quote
i have a question on the azeg g. it looks that its produced very much noise on the amplifier. has anywanne try to kill that.or is it in the sample burned. if its in the amplifier.is it posible too make a much more beter amplifier in to this machine.(:0 like a neve or ssl Smile ) becorce the bass sounds very good. but just i say its noisy. also is it posible that i can chance the samples for others. thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:49 am reply with quote
I may have just bought the last brand new retail EZ-AG in America...at retail price, not the outrageous eBay closing prices my failed bidding has been driving them up to. Sorry about that, eBay bidders, but yep, my sniped top bid is why you had to pay so much. Now you can all relax, I'm off eBay as an EZ-AG bidding competitor. Maybe. This crazy store has no phone and they had one left, and their website took 5 minutes to load each page. And they mislabeled the product so SEARCH didn't work. I'm still skeptical this deal is gonna go through...(crosses fingers)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:30 am reply with quote
Right - mine arrived! Now: Questions...

1.) How do you hook it up to MIDI? I installed MIDIOX and the MIDI Yoke but I don't know what to do with them.

2.) I have attached a MIDI lead going from the OUT of the EZ-AG to the IN of my soundcard - do I absolutely NEED another lead for the return journey, OUT back to IN, for it to work?

3.) The MIDI Yoke ports show up in my MIDI inputs panel of my sequencer while the EZAG doesn't show up - is that bad?

4.) Where is the actual application where you wire stuff together - the MIDI Yoke control panel?

Please help me - I am a total MIDI n00b! Can anyone provide me with a quick-start guide? I'm so desperate to get it working!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:03 pm reply with quote
Here's the lowdown for midi using an Ez-ag and/or midiyoke.

1.you need some device to get midi into your computer, a cheap $40 unit would do it, but that wouldn't provide a nice low-latency asio driver, you could use asio4all to get around that in a cheap fashion. Plug a midi cable into the ez-ag's midi out jack, plug that cable into the soundcard's midi input jack. That's all you need to get it into the computer, using it as a midi controller for synths.

2.the midi in jack of the ez-ag, is just used to transfer midi songs into the guitar, like how it has tears in heaven built in and stuff.

3.midiyoke is for using scripts with the ez guitar, like if you downloaded that one from tencrazy or something, an hta script. In that case, plug in your guitar, turn the soundcard(or midi thing that connects to your computer)on, then open the script, for input, choose your soundcard's midi input, for output, choose midiyoke 1. Then in your recording host/vst hoster program, you'd choose midiyoke 1 for the midi input, that is what would actually control your software synth. At this point your script would be filtering your ez-ag's data in a good, useable way back into the synthesizer.

midiox is just a utility, there is no use for it really. It just tells you what's going on in your computer.

You need some hardware to get the midi from the guitar into the computer, that's it.
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Maruuk
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:13 pm reply with quote
I'm using a Midiman Midisport 2X2 with the latest driver. Are you saying that I'm going to have latency problems with Tracktion 3 if I don't use asio4all?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:12 am reply with quote
Maruuk wrote:
I'm using a Midiman Midisport 2X2 with the latest driver. Are you saying that I'm going to have latency problems with Tracktion 3 if I don't use asio4all?

Not necessarily. I could run at 10ms latency with my onboard soundcard with WDM drivers. But when I use asio4all, I can go all the way down to 2.6 ms if the CPU load isn't too heavy.

And the effects of latency are entirely up to your taste. Personally, I'm fine with 10ms with the EZ, but for drum pads I like it just a bit lower.

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