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Windows VST -> Mac VST Bridge?

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logicalhippo
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Postby logicalhippo; Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:54 am Windows VST -> Mac VST Bridge?

Is there any way to run windows plug-ins via WINE as a Mac Plug-in?

It seems this is basically a solved problem - on linux we have solutions like dssi-vst which bridges a WINE VST into the dssi plug-in format. All you need is a wine vst host (done), a mac vst (not hard), and some IPC between them (a little tricky).

I'm planning on spending the next few weeks investigating this, but I want to know now if there are any current projects doing the same thing.

Thanks so much!
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djanthonyw
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Postby djanthonyw; Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:34 am

I'm trying to figure out a solution for this as well.

Ideal solution... a Mac AU / VST plugin similar to NI's Kore except it's based on WINE technology and let's you load Windows VST's into it.

I'm honestly very surprised that a developer hasn't taken advantage of this opportunity yet.
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jupiter8
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Postby jupiter8; Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:40 am

Someone at FXPansion said something like: "We've looked into it but Wine isn't stable enough for the moment to move further", or something similar.
Optomadic
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Postby Optomadic; Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:46 am

Not opensource but worth a look

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
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djanthonyw
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Postby djanthonyw; Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:46 am

Stable or not, I'm surprised no one has taken advantage of this opportunity yet.
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djanthonyw
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Postby djanthonyw; Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:48 am

Optomadic wrote:Not opensource but worth a look

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/

Works good for stand alone software, but it doesn't let you load Windows VST into a Mac host..
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Optomadic
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Postby Optomadic; Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:02 pm

agreed dj.

This exact question was asked of me just yesterday. It would be nice to have some kind of wrapper just to see what would or what would not stablize.
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kilon
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Postby kilon; Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:21 pm

djanthonyw wrote:
Optomadic wrote:Not opensource but worth a look

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/

Works good for stand alone software, but it doesn't let you load Windows VST into a Mac host..


In any way any Virtualisation will have a slow down at least 3 times. That will make it pretty unusable. So wine is only a desperate solution.

But there so many excellent plugins in mac , some of them are not available to pc as well. It is not a great loss really.
Optomadic
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Postby Optomadic; Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:23 pm

:dog: It is not virtualisation or emulation at all. The apps are run nativly, thats it.
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Postby Liquidclear; Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:31 pm

Just dump the Mac and get a real computer :D

or just by a cheap PC to go with it

I'm sure there's Win VST devs that wouldn't want their plugs easily usable on a Mac.
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djanthonyw
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Postby djanthonyw; Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:40 pm

Liquidclear wrote:Just dump the Mac and get a real computer :D

Well there is always Bootcamp, however that defeats the purpose of workflow.
Liquidclear wrote:I'm sure there's Win VST devs that wouldn't want their plugs easily usable on a Mac.

Developers such as?
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kilon
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Postby kilon; Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:41 pm

Optomadic wrote::dog: It is not virtualisation or emulation at all. The apps are run nativly, thats it.


you are joking , right ? Do not tell me you actually buying the Not Another Emulation or whatever crap ?

Oh by the way I am a registered CrossOverGames user , using it to run a pc only game called "GUILD WARS" (the biggest rival of World of Warcraft). It works very good with some minor problems. Of course MMORG are not CPU intensive.
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djanthonyw
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Postby djanthonyw; Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:52 pm

Virtuilisation is a lot faster with WINE than with something like Parallels or Fusion because with WINE you don't need to run the whole OS. WINE is pretty much native speed. The only thing faster would be to have the program coded for the specific OS.
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Liquidclear
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Postby Liquidclear; Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:55 pm

Liquidclear wrote:I'm sure there's Win VST devs that wouldn't want their plugs easily usable on a Mac.

Developers such as?[/quote]

It was kind of a joke, but on the other hand there would be support issues with devs not having a Mac
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Optomadic
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Postby Optomadic; Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:55 pm

Thats what I meant to say..
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