hello.
my topic is short.
how to use ps-1 in conjunction with other synths? instruments?
It seems to me that each time when I use ps-1 with... lets say -
strings [from samples] or other synths, lets say - with juno-d
ps-1 ALWAYS seems detuned.

Lets get it stright.

PS-1 is a beautifull and unique tool. I has its own character and thats
what I love it for. But it misses essential factor - it's so different
that I can hardly tune it with different styles of music, with different
instruments.

For example : I made a bassline with ps-1. [I should post examples soon]
and then I turned on Zebra and tried a pad. Then another, then another,
another one and each time the same thing : ps - 1 (or vice versa) seems
DETUNED toward the other thing.

I will explain it like this: I think it MUST be the case of synth architecture,
and it has some global detune mode or something. I tried to tune it up to zebra
using finetuning-methods and nothing helped. I tried editing instruments in
my juno -d using coarse - semi tune technique but i finished with nothing.
Or I am to sensitive to even little diharmonics in the sound or it is rally
hard to get this synth going with other things.

could you help me explain how to tune it up a little so that it doesnt
sound so different, cause I REALLY love it?

to expand this topic I will show you my answear which I got lately
asking about the same thing!

bandemulator wrote:
Is it possible that "natural character of sound" made by certain synth may be so different from the other, that they actually feel detuned

a sensation of dissonance may happen due to beatings between partials of the two sounds when their partial frequencies do not really match. in this article:

http://eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu/~sethares/consemi.htm l

the phenomenon is explained by considering the same sound at different fundamental frequencies, but the same idea can be applied to pairs of different sounds as well (or triads, or clusters in general)

...dunno, if that is what was happening there - however, interesting stuff anyway

Shall anyone explain it?

I've got PS 1 and Zebra loaded up right now. Can you give me an example of two patches that are out of tune? I'll keep checking but the two presets I have loaded now are in tune.

What is the sample rate of your project?

I loaded up Sylenth1 and PS-1, tried a few patches in PS-1, and they seem in tune with Sylenth1. My project sample rate is 48KHz. If you have a specific example we can try, that would help.

Compare the ps-1 patch - deep cream bass
with the tal bassline patch - start here (i know, not a patch per se)

PS-1 is out of tune, and it's like that with a few patches. Personally i don't care much about that, i adjust to suit.

Sorry guys, I hadn't seen this post.

That's a little odd. I have both zebra and (obviously) the PS-1 on this machine...what host do you use? Perhaps you could send me a project file?

Peace

Also, what version of PS-1 are you using?

honestly, i wasnt aware at all of such behaviour after all the betatest for the last version, although i must admit i was mostly using only PS1 there, for all the synth parts, in a couple of sketches i was using as test field..the rest was sample based so im not sure it was reliable to check the tuning..
i was on XP Pro with SX 3 last version if this may be useful as information..
Peace

hello ALL AND THANKS FOR YOUR REPLIES!

I want to apologize and to explain a few things:

here we go

PS-1 is NOT standing out of a mix!

The reason I was deluded that it is, was this: that I am using
sound-blaster 4 audigy or whatever on my OLD desktop PC.

I made a test.

I made the same ableton set and put it on those two computers.
I mean I saved a set with a few ps-1 instances and some samples,
and other synths.

I ran the same project on 2 PC. And the results were::::
On my LAPTOP EVERYTHING WAS FINE! No feeling of detune whatsoever!
And my laptop has WORSE! soundcard than my desctop thing.

When I opened this set on my desktop computer (the old one with
sb audigy4) the result was : all sounds seemed DETUNED towards
ps-1.

Strange isnt it???

I dont know why that happens and thats not the fault of superb PRO-SOUNDS
team!
I wish you to recieve apologize from me for complaining about your synth.
But I still dont know why this sound blaster thing messes up the sound
so much. Maybe that is related to driveres or whatever.
I dont know.
Sorry for disturbing.

b a n d e m u l AAATOR

Just to underline your experience:

Windows XP, SB Audigy, Orion.
I downloaded the PS-1 demo a few days ago, and really liked this synth (and the actual price of it). But in the first mix, the strange tuning was obvious; I am not sure if the de-tuning is linear and stable (i.e. corractable) or irregular - I have to try this out in the evening.
I intially thought this is a "feature" of the demo version. Good to know that it seems to be a hardware/driver problem, because I was just about to buy the full licence.

Regards
Georg

yeah it seems to be the problem of software/drivers you use,
not the synth.

I really tested it and for a long time (since I use back again
my laptop to do the music) I havent met any of the above problems.

My laptop has built-in audio card. some simple crap, but still
latency is not bad - just 6-8ms depends on how I set it up (with
Asio4all drivers) and everything works fine and PS-1 is NOT detuned
to anything!

Its just great!

see yea ;]

I am having a problem with the detuning also. On a 48khz sample rate using the Edirol ASIO drivers. It's really driving me nuts and stopped me from using it.

I used to have the same problem with z3ta+

I wonder what causes this!

the problem is sample rate: on 48khz you will hear detune.
On 44.1khz you will not

The sample files used (made by ToTcProductions) in PS1 are 16/44. Maybe that's why it's out of tune when using 24/48.

Question: can you create your own 24/48 sample files to load into the PS1?
Or maybe totc could update the files to 24/48.

Tim