Dionysos wrote:upward compression will also always affect and shape peaks/transients.
How can that be ?
Dionysos wrote:upward compression will also always affect and shape peaks/transients.
Certain particular conditions can technically bare identical results from the two, but ultimately they are different. In order for the two to be the same, there would have to be no non-linearities in the compression algorithm and envelope times would have to be slow enough to not change amplitude within a single cycle of the present frequencies.futurefields wrote:Does NY compression qualify as downward or upward compression?
Just as the release time of downward compression will affect the 'sustain' signal, the release of upward compression will affect the peaks.VibraSound wrote:Dionysos wrote:upward compression will also always affect and shape peaks/transients.
How can that be ?
Doesn't that create quite obvious phasing?The Chase wrote:I will mix one chain of compression, distortion, and EQ with another of the same effects with very different settings
Would be nice if it worked like that in reality, but I've yet to hear this being true.annode wrote:The peak signal level is un-effected, as was stated earlier.
Nope, not unless there are timing problemsDionysos wrote:Doesn't that create quite obvious phasing?The Chase wrote:I will mix one chain of compression, distortion, and EQ with another of the same effects with very different settings
It amazes me how many otherwise very intelligent people cannot grasp this concept. There is some strange way to overthink the problem.Dionysos wrote: But it isn't. If you downward compress a signal and then add that to the original signal, you're still adding downward compression to the signal, nothing else.
If there's a difference between upward and downward compression, it's how the gain envelope is created, and this doesn't change only because you mix dry and wet.
Just watch out with mixing an EQed signal with the same, but differently filtered or dry signal. With standard EQs there will normally be phasing.The Chase wrote:Nope, not unless there are timing problemsDionysos wrote:Doesn't that create quite obvious phasing?The Chase wrote:I will mix one chain of compression, distortion, and EQ with another of the same effects with very different settings
The Chase wrote:Nope, not unless there are timing problemsDionysos wrote:Doesn't that create quite obvious phasing?The Chase wrote:I will mix one chain of compression, distortion, and EQ with another of the same effects with very different settings
gol wrote:you should never send to an IIR filter, only insert
Yeah, it's kind of like the Swamps of Sadness in The Never-Ending Story. If you don't believe in it, it can't really hurt you.Dionysos wrote:Just watch out with mixing an EQed signal with the same, but differently filtered or dry signal. With standard EQs there will normally be phasing.The Chase wrote:Nope, not unless there are timing problemsDionysos wrote:Doesn't that create quite obvious phasing?The Chase wrote:I will mix one chain of compression, distortion, and EQ with another of the same effects with very different settings
I can live with this.Nystul wrote:It amazes me how many otherwise very intelligent people cannot grasp this concept. There is some strange way to overthink the problem.
How so. Isn't a limiter actually working on peaks, not ignoring them?annode wrote:PS: I have to say...it appears to me the downward compressor is actually a limiter.
He said quite obvious phasing. Of course theoretical phasing will always be there with an EQ. But as far as the end result is concerned it's not really an issue. I'm sorry that I did not tack down that semantic issue. I invite everyone to try it and see.VibraSound wrote:The Chase wrote:Nope, not unless there are timing problemsDionysos wrote:Doesn't that create quite obvious phasing?The Chase wrote:I will mix one chain of compression, distortion, and EQ with another of the same effects with very different settingsgol wrote:you should never send to an IIR filter, only insert
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