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Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor

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andy-cytomic
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1420 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Postby andy-cytomic; Sun May 09, 2010 3:39 pm

dj ray wrote:Not sure if this has been covered, but I would love to just be able to have the presets in a drop down list, as opposed to loading them up every time. Cheers.

Yep, I'm definitely going to improve the preset handling by adding this kind of support, as well as a next / prev button.
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
Synth Squad - www.fxpansion.com
electro
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3296 posts since 5 May, 2002

Postby electro; Mon May 10, 2010 1:05 am

Would you consider adding a SSL harmonic distortion button to The Glue?
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meloco_go
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463 posts since 21 Sep, 2008

Postby meloco_go; Mon May 10, 2010 3:21 am

electro wrote:Would you consider adding a SSL harmonic distortion button to The Glue?

I think it's actually refreshing that there's no additional coloration going and it is so clean.
Getting distortions right is PITA and takes a lot of resources unless you're compromising things.
You can always pair Glue with some saturation plugin, and because of its external control input, you can do some neat stuff, like saturating control sound only (totally worth trying)!
andy-cytomic
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Postby andy-cytomic; Mon May 10, 2010 5:35 am

electro wrote:Would you consider adding a SSL harmonic distortion button to The Glue?


I want to keep The Glue a clean mastering compressor. In the modern version of the analog g-series hardware is both very low noise and very linear. I felt that this was the approach to use for The Glue as well, and keep all non-linearities, other than the gain reduction itself, away from the main signal path. This also keeps the plugin focused on clean mastering compression, and keeps the cpu ussage, and price of The Glue to reasonable levels, and removes the need to add latency that would be needed for bandlimiting.

In a little more depth: getting the non-linearities correct in the older models is quite involved. You cannot model such things with a fixed waveshaper before and/or after The Glue. You cannot simply put a sin wave through the analog unit and measure the harmonics, even if you do it at multiple amplitudes - this sort of thing just doesn't work and isn't modeling what is going on dynamically in the compressor. Each component's specific non-linearities and slew rate limiting have to be modeled and the structure of where each component is in the circuit and it's feedback loops preserved, otherwise you won't get the right sound. There are multiple variations to the build of the 4000 compressor, each of which has different components. Doing detailed analysis of each of them and picking the best one would have been very costly, which would have increased the price of The Glue. Consideration would then also have to be placed on oversampling options to band-limit any added non-linearities in the main audio path, and this would also introduce latency, so all up I felt it best to keep it pure and clean. I'll do this sort of modeling for future products where it's more critical to the character of the hardware.
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
Synth Squad - www.fxpansion.com
meloco_go
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Postby meloco_go; Mon May 17, 2010 11:21 pm

Hi!
Andy, can you explain what dB scale on the range knob means? I thought it shows GR level above which it trims compression envelope, so there's linear input-output dependence again. But after more playing with it, I think that its calibration is not strictly in dB units. E.g. when set to 40, it still allows peaks to pass thru under limiting settings, and you must turn it to "full" for limiter to really stops peaks, but the GR level never reaches 40 db (its barely at 10)!
Maybe changing from dB to percents, or any other arbitrary units would be more meaningful.
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djanthonyw
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Postby djanthonyw; Mon May 17, 2010 11:32 pm

electro wrote:Would you consider adding a SSL harmonic distortion button to The Glue?
Whenever the Slate Virtual Console Collection comes out, it will do this and go along great with The Glue.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-prod ... demos.html
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dj ray
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1004 posts since 4 Nov, 2003, from Washington DC

Postby dj ray; Mon May 17, 2010 11:40 pm

djanthonyw wrote:
electro wrote:Would you consider adding a SSL harmonic distortion button to The Glue?
Whenever the Slate Virtual Console Collection comes out, it will do this and go along great with The Glue.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-prod ... demos.html

+1! Our very own virtual SSL. At last! That is, if VCC ever comes out...
andy-cytomic
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Postby andy-cytomic; Tue May 18, 2010 3:16 am

meloco_go wrote:Hi!
Andy, can you explain what dB scale on the range knob means? I thought it shows GR level above which it trims compression envelope, so there's linear input-output dependence again. But after more playing with it, I think that its calibration is not strictly in dB units. E.g. when set to 40, it still allows peaks to pass thru under limiting settings, and you must turn it to "full" for limiter to really stops peaks, but the GR level never reaches 40 db (its barely at 10)!
Maybe changing from dB to percents, or any other arbitrary units would be more meaningful.

Keep in mind that the needle is showing RMS-ish compression levels, not peak level, which will reach much higher on transients in the audio and the peak level is the thing to first hit the Range limit. Also note that the Range knob is not an exact thing, because of the interaction between various elements in the circuit, so it differs slightly with different ratios, and different attack times etc - this is just what happens in analog since the Range knob is an actual addition to the circuit I made instead of some precise digital thing. At lower settings of say -10 dB of -15 dB you can see that the rms needle won't go past what you set on the Range knob (give or take a dB or two), so you just have to trust me that it makes sense to leave it in dB!
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
Synth Squad - www.fxpansion.com
andy-cytomic
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1420 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Postby andy-cytomic; Thu May 20, 2010 8:48 am

I've just finished some A/B examples between The Glue and the XLogic SSL G-Series comp. Here is one to check out with the fastest attack and release times, ratio 10, and lowest threshold, and the rms needle peaking at around -18 dB:

http://www.cytomic.com/files/AB_AccDrmE ... Series.jpg
http://www.cytomic.com/files/AB_AccDrmE ... icGlue.jpg

110bpm 16 bit wavs that I aligned in time as best as possible so you can switch between the two in your daw to compare them, and the the 24 bit dry one too if you want to try match with another compressor:
http://www.cytomic.com/files/AB_AccDrmExtreme_Dry.wav
http://www.cytomic.com/files/AB_AccDrmE ... Series.wav
http://www.cytomic.com/files/AB_AccDrmE ... icGlue.wav
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
Synth Squad - www.fxpansion.com
TonyTownsend
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11 posts since 8 Mar, 2010, from usa

Postby TonyTownsend; Tue May 25, 2010 5:47 pm

Just wanted to say this is a awesome compressor. I have a had a few people ask me how I got my drums sounding so crisp. I told them The glue on drum buss. Thanks for this plug at such a reasonable price and keep up the good work!
mr jkn
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80 posts since 3 Oct, 2006

Postby mr jkn; Tue May 25, 2010 10:20 pm

andy_cytomic wrote:I've just finished some A/B examples between The Glue and the XLogic SSL G-Series comp. Here is one to check out with the fastest attack and release times, ratio 10, and lowest threshold, and the rms needle peaking at around -18 dB:

http://www.cytomic.com/files/AB_AccDrmE ... Series.jpg
http://www.cytomic.com/files/AB_AccDrmE ... icGlue.jpg

110bpm 16 bit wavs that I aligned in time as best as possible so you can switch between the two in your daw to compare them, and the the 24 bit dry one too if you want to try match with another compressor:
http://www.cytomic.com/files/AB_AccDrmExtreme_Dry.wav
http://www.cytomic.com/files/AB_AccDrmE ... Series.wav
http://www.cytomic.com/files/AB_AccDrmE ... icGlue.wav


Those examples sound extremely good. Hmm, I guess I have to buy this one (my poor wallet!).
My name is Jonas.
andy-cytomic
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1420 posts since 3 Dec, 2008

Postby andy-cytomic; Wed May 26, 2010 2:31 am

TonyTownsend wrote:Just wanted to say this is a awesome compressor. I have a had a few people ask me how I got my drums sounding so crisp. I told them The glue on drum buss. Thanks for this plug at such a reasonable price and keep up the good work!

Hey Tony, thanks for the thumbs up and for letting people know about The Glue. I rely on word of mouth like this for sales so it's much appreciated :)
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
Synth Squad - www.fxpansion.com
bishop666
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408 posts since 3 Oct, 2009

Postby bishop666; Wed May 26, 2010 3:04 am

I am not surprised that the glue is close to the ssl hardware.


More insteresting is that the waves plugin version is way off. Like all of the waves stuff. But big congrats to waves for fooling all the people. Selling plugs that are really worse then freeware at insane prices that's professional marketing. That's were waves really shines.


Anyway the glue is excellent. The differences are very small if you compare it to the hardware. It is on my list.
JeffSanders
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1153 posts since 28 Jun, 2004, from within you without you

Postby JeffSanders; Wed May 26, 2010 4:16 am

Try it on a vocal with a Nebula console emulation and an instance of R2R tape. :hihi:
Melvin J.
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80 posts since 2 Dec, 2005

Postby Melvin J.; Thu May 27, 2010 8:36 am

Any word on the X64 version, Andy? I would love to have The Glue without the need for a bridge!
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