Zen
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
OK folks, I have been talking about this here and there, so it's about time to lift the veil on my latest creation. Meet "Zen", the universal vsti presets browser/manager. I will start sending beta versions next week (I just need a little bit of time to upload presets).
1. Zen is a universal presets manager.
It loads in any host as a vsti, and acts as a loader for other vstis. So with Zen, you can search for "Rhodes piano" and get a list of all matching presets - regardless of the final vsti (Rhino, Zebra, Absynth... whatever). When you select one of the presets in Zen, the corresponding vsti is automatically loaded to play the requested preset. The search and classification system is very simple to use, and is not constricting - you can tag a preset both as a "lead" and a "bass", if you like.
Most popular vstis are supported, and I can add new ones usually in a matter of minutes.
2. Zen is online.
Zen constantly synchronizes his own local database of presets with a master online database hosted at www.bigtickaudio.com - users get new presets daily, delivered right into their sequencer, already categorized.
Of course, many users don't like to have their DAW online (even though I really believe this is changing fast). Zen supports several modes, allowing to:
- work completely offline (in this case, only the presets that have been loaded so far are available)
- work offline with the database on a shared drive. The database can be updated by a daemon process running on another computer.
3. Zen is free
Yes. I am giving it for free.
4. Limitations
At the moment Zen can only support presets that don't require additional external files. This rules out synths with external samples (including many Rhino third-party presets).
I have plans to support these presets too, but it is going to require cooperation between the plugin and Zen - basically the plugin needs to tell which external "assets" are linked to a preset. So I will need to define a set of "Zen extensions" to the vst standard, and publish these so that plugin developers can support them.
It is not hard to implement, but I want to gather usage statistics before doing this, also because it will definitely consume a considerable bandwidth if, as I hope, adoption is high.
And finally, here is the mandatory screenshot from the beta:
1. Zen is a universal presets manager.
It loads in any host as a vsti, and acts as a loader for other vstis. So with Zen, you can search for "Rhodes piano" and get a list of all matching presets - regardless of the final vsti (Rhino, Zebra, Absynth... whatever). When you select one of the presets in Zen, the corresponding vsti is automatically loaded to play the requested preset. The search and classification system is very simple to use, and is not constricting - you can tag a preset both as a "lead" and a "bass", if you like.
Most popular vstis are supported, and I can add new ones usually in a matter of minutes.
2. Zen is online.
Zen constantly synchronizes his own local database of presets with a master online database hosted at www.bigtickaudio.com - users get new presets daily, delivered right into their sequencer, already categorized.
Of course, many users don't like to have their DAW online (even though I really believe this is changing fast). Zen supports several modes, allowing to:
- work completely offline (in this case, only the presets that have been loaded so far are available)
- work offline with the database on a shared drive. The database can be updated by a daemon process running on another computer.
3. Zen is free
Yes. I am giving it for free.
4. Limitations
At the moment Zen can only support presets that don't require additional external files. This rules out synths with external samples (including many Rhino third-party presets).
I have plans to support these presets too, but it is going to require cooperation between the plugin and Zen - basically the plugin needs to tell which external "assets" are linked to a preset. So I will need to define a set of "Zen extensions" to the vst standard, and publish these so that plugin developers can support them.
It is not hard to implement, but I want to gather usage statistics before doing this, also because it will definitely consume a considerable bandwidth if, as I hope, adoption is high.
And finally, here is the mandatory screenshot from the beta:
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
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- KVRAF
- 8519 posts since 7 Apr, 2003
Its about time someone did a cloud app for presets that was actually good for the user and not crippling like some other companies. Sounds like you have it setup well but I wonder will this work for non fxp/fxb? And also what about instruments that embed sample data within the preset itself like say highlife by discodsp?
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- KVRAF
- 8519 posts since 7 Apr, 2003
Also since this is free are you going to have ads or anything in zen ornwould you make back your money by licensing out the preset engine tob3rd party developers?
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- KVRAF
- 4585 posts since 2 Nov, 2006
Wow this could be a HUGE amount of data! (my Highlife library folder is 2.80Gb)grymmjack wrote: And also what about instruments that embed sample data within the preset itself like say highlife by discodsp?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
You never load a preset directly into Zen. Instead, Zen queries the plugin for the preset data. So the issue about format is sort of irrelevant, because if the plugin can export its preset data to an host, then it can be supported by Zen. This said, internally, Zen uses fxp.grymmjack wrote:Its about time someone did a cloud app for presets that was actually good for the user and not crippling like some other companies. Sounds like you have it setup well but I wonder will this work for non fxp/fxb? And also what about instruments that embed sample data within the preset itself like say highlife by discodsp?
Sample data embedded within the preset is actually a simple case. It will work, although I will need more bandwidth usage estimates before allowing it. The tricky case is for presets requiring sample data alongside. I have plans to support them, but this will require the plugin to support a very simple set of vst extensions (basically, to let Zen know about the external assets it requires for a given preset).
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
My plan is take a fee on presets sales made through Zen. Think of it as an additional distribution channel for preset designers - one that makes a very targeted and unobtrusive push.grymmjack wrote:Also since this is free are you going to have ads or anything in zen or would you make back your money by licensing out the preset engine to 3rd party developers?
Regarding licensing, I haven't planned that far - it will all depend on adoption, and how much users contribute to the database (I can't tag 100000 presets on my own, so everybody will have to tag a few).
'Tick
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- KVRAF
- 4585 posts since 2 Nov, 2006
I like this idea!Big Tick wrote:My plan is take a fee on presets sales made through Zen. Think of it as an additional distribution channel for preset designers - one that makes a very targeted and unobtrusive push.
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- KVRAF
- 16153 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
This sounds EXCELLENT! One question though. If using the online database, will you have to scroll through presets for plug-ins you don't have, or can you filter it to show only presets that belong to the instruments you own?
Brent
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- KVRAF
- 1624 posts since 14 Sep, 2007 from www.koeln.de/en/
I will surely watch this product. It sounds really interesting.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
You don't browse the online database. You browse your local database, which is built (and continuously updated), based on the synths you have specified.
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- KVRAF
- 8519 posts since 7 Apr, 2003
That is a brilliant idea. Wish you best of luck with this.Big Tick wrote:My plan is take a fee on presets sales made through Zen. Think of it as an additional distribution channel for preset designers - one that makes a very targeted and unobtrusive push.grymmjack wrote:Also since this is free are you going to have ads or anything in zen or would you make back your money by licensing out the preset engine to 3rd party developers?
Regarding licensing, I haven't planned that far - it will all depend on adoption, and how much users contribute to the database (I can't tag 100000 presets on my own, so everybody will have to tag a few).
'Tick
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- KVRian
- 529 posts since 1 Mar, 2004 from france
totally agreegrymmjack wrote:
That is a brilliant idea. Wish you best of luck with this.