In Cubase latency other than your soundcard buffer is a non-issue as it's transparently compensated for, exception being latency producing FX in groups, FX channels and outputs.
I'm using ca 60% DSP card plugins (from UAD-1, UAD-2 and Duende) and experience this every day.
As long as you only have latency producing FX on audio tracks and VSTi outputs you don't notice any increase in latency.
I doubt Logic can overcome that barrier, all else seems to require ESP of sorts.
Any in depth explanation or article somewhere ?
Ymmv,
susiwong

PS: any news about other C6 changes yet ?
I'd kill for multi-out VSTi track presets, Studio One style controller mapping and improved pitch/time algos ( not that they are inferior to other hosts atm, but the whole technology is still in the early stages imho)
One thing that doesn't bother me at all is visuals - as long as the UI elements are clearly readable on high resolutions I'm fine.

What Cubase does is great which is to allow you to record enable a track with no PDC inducing plugins in its path (the track or the group) with just the buffer size as the delay, even when there are other tracks with big PDC values in the project. Two separate paths.

The way that Logic and Reaper differ is that they automatically (by configurable option in Reaper) add a big extra buffer to the non-live tracks to allow the CPU breathing room for the non-essential tracks. Because the app can render ahead on the other tracks there isn't the same risk of drop-outs as there is when all tracks are being processed in a real-time basis.

Still two separate paths, but the extra-buffered example has fluffed-up pillows with soft-focus pictures of Gate n Jobs dotted around to make the CPU more comfortable.

Thanks for the explanation, captain !
Makes sense somehow.



Depends on the CPU, I guess.
Mine would puke ...

Lol,
susiwong

I get it - Pirate* Porn! Whatever gets you through a clock-cycle I guess.

*(of Silicon Valley)

i cant understand why anybody still wants to latch their tongue onto cubase's balls

reapor is far better

As soon as Reaper gets full score, VST Expression, rubber-band CC editing, Retrospective MIDI record and a few other things... I will detach said tongue from said hairy plums...

I think the key is to not keep paying for the same coconuts over and over. Daw ownership starts to become like a mortgage. But with daws you keep paying for stuff they should have given you last time you paid for stuff and you never really ever even actually own the thing.

Granted, at least with multi-track editing/groups (assuming it's all that), the update will probably be worth the cost of admission, but still... I need Steinberg's hand out of my wallet.

Is this gonna be true?! )

add arranger track, articulation, a frame accurate scoring to video, automation window, a mediabay which sucks but it's better than the reaper's browser, real warp etc. etc.
Anyways the list of "what i like more in reaper than cubase" is probably longer...

The list of things I like in Cubase is way longer than Reaper starting with an Audio editor and a track inspector.

reaper is highly customizable, in v4 i already did a template with track inspector style (which is also very customizable in sizes, themes...) and an "hide track" column PT style.
to me, reaper's editing tracks in timeline got no equals (split,splip,pitchshift etc. etc.), faster than everything else. what i really miss in reaper i already mentioned in my previous post, plus the midi compartment (which is also catching up fast in v4 betas)...

PS: I used cubase in ST and im very used on its interface...

It's a big feature for the recording crowd.


It is if you automate your instruments. I hope they augment instrument tracks in other ways, too, since they have a lot of potential.


I got Live with the intention of rewiring it into Cubase, thinking that would give me the best of both worlds. In the end, I found BPM loaded within Cubase to be a less cumbersome, more intuitive option that gave me the Live functionality I was looking for. Geist is probably a good Live alternative, too.

That makes sense. Sequel itself is a dog, both performance- and sales-wise, but having it integrated into Cubase could answer a lot of the concerns brought up in this thread.


We're honestly not seeing much PT9 movement over here aside from upgrading.


With McDSP going VST soon, there are going to be many RTAS hold-outs left. Still, we'd all be better off if something as silly as formats wouldn't have to be the determiner for the host we use.

Users would scream. It's probably important for them to keep a presence on Mac, too, simply from a marketing standpoint.

Agreed! It's a brilliant function, it just needs to be augmented.