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Rumors discussion: Cubase 6 at NAMM is on the road next year?

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susiwong
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3924 posts since 29 Feb, 2004

Postby susiwong; Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:36 pm

In Cubase latency other than your soundcard buffer is a non-issue as it's transparently compensated for, exception being latency producing FX in groups, FX channels and outputs.
I'm using ca 60% DSP card plugins (from UAD-1, UAD-2 and Duende) and experience this every day.
As long as you only have latency producing FX on audio tracks and VSTi outputs you don't notice any increase in latency.
I doubt Logic can overcome that barrier, all else seems to require ESP of sorts. :shrug:
Any in depth explanation or article somewhere ?
Ymmv,
susiwong

PS: any news about other C6 changes yet ?
I'd kill for multi-out VSTi track presets, Studio One style controller mapping and improved pitch/time algos ( not that they are inferior to other hosts atm, but the whole technology is still in the early stages imho)
One thing that doesn't bother me at all is visuals - as long as the UI elements are clearly readable on high resolutions I'm fine. :shrug:
captain caveman
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1130 posts since 13 Sep, 2005

Postby captain caveman; Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:04 pm

susiwong wrote:Any in depth explanation or article somewhere ?

What Cubase does is great which is to allow you to record enable a track with no PDC inducing plugins in its path (the track or the group) with just the buffer size as the delay, even when there are other tracks with big PDC values in the project. Two separate paths.

The way that Logic and Reaper differ is that they automatically (by configurable option in Reaper) add a big extra buffer to the non-live tracks to allow the CPU breathing room for the non-essential tracks. Because the app can render ahead on the other tracks there isn't the same risk of drop-outs as there is when all tracks are being processed in a real-time basis.

Still two separate paths, but the extra-buffered example has fluffed-up pillows with soft-focus pictures of Gate n Jobs dotted around to make the CPU more comfortable.
susiwong
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3924 posts since 29 Feb, 2004

Postby susiwong; Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:29 pm

Thanks for the explanation, captain ! :)
Makes sense somehow.

captain caveman wrote:Still two separate paths, but the extra-buffered example has fluffed-up pillows with soft-focus pictures of Gate n Jobs dotted around to make the CPU more comfortable.


Depends on the CPU, I guess.
Mine would puke ... :P

Lol,
susiwong
egbert
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3557 posts since 20 Oct, 2001, from my bolthole in the south pacific

Postby egbert; Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:32 pm

captain caveman wrote:Still two separate paths, but the extra-buffered example has fluffed-up pillows with soft-focus pictures of Gate n Jobs dotted around to make the CPU more comfortable.

I get it - Pirate* Porn! Whatever gets you through a clock-cycle I guess.

*(of Silicon Valley)
damoog
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903 posts since 31 May, 2007

Postby damoog; Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:14 am

i cant understand why anybody still wants to latch their tongue onto cubase's balls

reapor is far better
fandango
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3590 posts since 5 Jan, 2006, from UK

Postby fandango; Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:54 am

As soon as Reaper gets full score, VST Expression, rubber-band CC editing, Retrospective MIDI record and a few other things... I will detach said tongue from said hairy plums... :hihi:
LawrenceF
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4596 posts since 4 Dec, 2004

Postby LawrenceF; Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:10 am

fandango wrote:As soon as Reaper gets full score, VST Expression, rubber-band CC editing, Retrospective MIDI record and a few other things... I will detach said tongue from said hairy plums... :hihi:


:hihi:

I think the key is to not keep paying for the same coconuts over and over. Daw ownership starts to become like a mortgage. But with daws you keep paying for stuff they should have given you last time you paid for stuff and you never really ever even actually own the thing.

Granted, at least with multi-track editing/groups (assuming it's all that), the update will probably be worth the cost of admission, but still... I need Steinberg's hand out of my wallet.
Sonik31
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8 posts since 28 Nov, 2008

Postby Sonik31; Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:34 pm

ttoz wrote:
Alfalfa wrote:
ttoz wrote:another birdie says it will copy logic's hybrid engine, and i am sure it has been officially stated that Cubase 6 on mac will be true 64 bit, so i don't think the mac version is going anywhere.


Sorry to show my ignorance, but what is Logic's hybrid engine?


logic uses an internal buffer always selectable between 512, 1024, and 2048 samples for MIXING.

it only uses your audio buffer setting (say in this case 64 samples) on the tracks you are recording to, or when you select an instrument track to play midi.

This is how it avoids spikes and dropouts, which cubase can not,even on windows, when using high cpu plugins, such as linear phase stuff with large latency.. proved even by daw builders themselves using the very best systems and hardware.


Is this gonna be true?! ;))
surfingo
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266 posts since 1 Jan, 2008

Postby surfingo; Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:53 am

fandango wrote:As soon as Reaper gets full score, VST Expression, rubber-band CC editing, Retrospective MIDI record and a few other things... I will detach said tongue from said hairy plums... :hihi:


add arranger track, articulation, a frame accurate scoring to video, automation window, a mediabay which sucks but it's better than the reaper's browser, real warp etc. etc.
Anyways the list of "what i like more in reaper than cubase" is probably longer... :D
C-note
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1481 posts since 2 Apr, 2006, from Studio City, California

Postby C-note; Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:09 am

The list of things I like in Cubase is way longer than Reaper starting with an Audio editor and a track inspector.
surfingo
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266 posts since 1 Jan, 2008

Postby surfingo; Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:22 am

reaper is highly customizable, in v4 i already did a template with track inspector style (which is also very customizable in sizes, themes...) and an "hide track" column PT style.
to me, reaper's editing tracks in timeline got no equals (split,splip,pitchshift etc. etc.), faster than everything else. what i really miss in reaper i already mentioned in my previous post, plus the midi compartment (which is also catching up fast in v4 betas)...

PS: I used cubase in ST and im very used on its interface...
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Uncle E
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6681 posts since 21 Nov, 2000, from Southern California

Postby Uncle E; Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:10 pm

Alfalfa wrote:I think multi-track audio quantize is a given for Cubase 6, though that wouldn't get me to upgrade, since I don't need it currently.

It's a big feature for the recording crowd.

Instrument Tracks for multi-out synths? Is that reason enough to upgrade?

It is if you automate your instruments. I hope they augment instrument tracks in other ways, too, since they have a lot of potential.

maybe I just need to get the full version of Live.

I got Live with the intention of rewiring it into Cubase, thinking that would give me the best of both worlds. In the end, I found BPM loaded within Cubase to be a less cumbersome, more intuitive option that gave me the Live functionality I was looking for. Geist is probably a good Live alternative, too.
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Uncle E
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6681 posts since 21 Nov, 2000, from Southern California

Postby Uncle E; Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:19 pm

christianmusicmaker wrote:Looks like they are preparing the way for Product consolidation. One of these three might get dropped from their product line...Sequel, Cubase or Nuendo. Cubase seems unlikely though as it appears to be the strongest of the three brands. But the other two? Hmmmm.

That makes sense. Sequel itself is a dog, both performance- and sales-wise, but having it integrated into Cubase could answer a lot of the concerns brought up in this thread.

I think PT9 complicates things for Steinberg particularly for Nuendo but at it's current price PT9 also puts pressure on the Cubase product line as its much more competitive now.

We're honestly not seeing much PT9 movement over here aside from upgrading.

AVID IMO have further demonstrated that you do not need VST support of any kind to succeed in the host market, by totally ignoring the VST format in PT9 (just like Propellerheads) indeed AVID are now probably Steinbergs biggest concern as they carry a payload that no other host has...RTAS.

With McDSP going VST soon, there are going to be many RTAS hold-outs left. Still, we'd all be better off if something as silly as formats wouldn't have to be the determiner for the host we use.
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Uncle E
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Postby Uncle E; Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:21 pm

burbank wrote:And I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped Cubase on the Mac, as they are getting absolutely slaughtered by Logic right now in terms of performance, features, UI, quality etc. Theres no point in trying to compete with Logic, especially since Logic doesn't include that annoying dongle that uses up that precious USB slot on a laptop.

Users would scream. It's probably important for them to keep a presence on Mac, too, simply from a marketing standpoint.
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Uncle E
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Postby Uncle E; Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:22 pm

emotica wrote:Would be awesome to have a one-click-render in Cubase or at least make the freezed audio not that static as it is now.

Agreed! It's a brilliant function, it just needs to be augmented.
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