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Kirk Hunter Studios FAQs, Tips and Peer2Peer Info Sharing Thread

Sampler and Sampling discussion (techniques, tips and tricks, etc.)

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KVRist
 
435 posts since 20 Nov, 2010, from stuck in transition

Postby kcisANDderit; Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:10 am Kirk Hunter Studios FAQs, Tips and Peer2Peer Info Sharing Thread

I created this thread to be a temporary space where Kirk Hunter Studios Customers can share helpful tips, answer each others questions and exchange helpful resources


Summary of updates/documentation

Update page:
http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/update.html

1. Download all patches for the product(s) you own.
2. Apply them in chronological order (older ones first, then newer ones).

Organize your downloads by saving them in separate folders, such as "Diamond Updates" or "CS2 Updates". This will prevent a lot of headaches later.

Online TVEC 3 User Guide here:
http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/Concert_Strings_II_Manual_TVEC3/CS_II_Items/tvec2_overview.html
and
http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/Concert_Brass_II_Manual_TVEC3/CS_II_Items/tvec2_overview.html

And "TVEC 3 At a Glance" guides here:
http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/tvec3_strings.html
http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/tvec3_brass.html

pdf versions here:

TVEC 3 Programming (Concert Strings II)

TVEC 3 Programming (Concert Brass II)

TVEC 3 For Strings At-A-Glance

TVEC 3 For Brass (French Horns, Trumpets, Trombones) At-A-Glance
Last edited by kcisANDderit on Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:57 pm, edited 5 times in total.
KVRist
 
435 posts since 20 Nov, 2010, from stuck in transition

Postby kcisANDderit; Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:18 am

installation procedure

some people have been getting a error msg about missing samples. it turns out that during installation they used the extract to option of the unzip software instead of extract here

here are the installation instructions [with my addition]:
1. Create a new folder where you want your new library to reside. Name this folder anything you wish.

2. Download the files (including "bonus files" shown at the bottom of this page) into the new folder you created and then unzip them [using the "extract here" option].


if you use extract to instead of extract here, extra subfolders will be created leading to an error msg when you try to load an instrument
Last edited by kcisANDderit on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
KVRist
 
435 posts since 20 Nov, 2010, from stuck in transition

Postby kcisANDderit; Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:43 am

Using Diamond Orchestra with Windows XP

p356 wrote:I bought Diamond and assumed I could upgrade to Kontakt 5 after the group buy. I currently have 3.5 on XP. Just found out those knuckleheads at NI only support Windows 7! Can't afford Kontakt 5 and new operating system or computer too.

Any solutions besides hari-kari? I'm really hoping there's a workaround for Diamond in 3.5 (not using TVEC3 for now).


EDIT: I downloaded Kontakt 5 Player, and was able to get it working in XP. I was also able to get some Diamond nki instruments working, though I imagine it is only for a limited time in Player. Didn't try the TVEC instruments. Was also able to load a nki in 3.5. So, I'm hoping to still get Kontakt 5 to run with TVEC3.
Last edited by kcisANDderit on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:14 am, edited 1 time in total.
KVRAF
 
6309 posts since 2 Sep, 2003, from Surrey, UK

Postby DarkStar; Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:46 am

^^^
Kontakt 5 does run on Windows XP (reported by EvilDragon) but it would not be supported by NI.
DarkStar
Interesting, if true ...
KVRist
 
435 posts since 20 Nov, 2010, from stuck in transition

Postby kcisANDderit; Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:48 am

Comparing Concert Strings 2 and Pop/Rock Strings

Image
http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/compare_cs2_prs.html
Last edited by kcisANDderit on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:09 am, edited 2 times in total.
KVRist
 
435 posts since 20 Nov, 2010, from stuck in transition

Postby kcisANDderit; Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:21 am

Concert Strings 2 free trial

KirkHunter wrote:Ok, below is a link where you can sign up and immediately thereafter download a free trial of the 1st violins (whole, half, quarter and solo divisions) of Concert Strings 2. You need the full version of Kontakt 4 or newer to use it.
Once downloaded unzipped and loaded into Kontakt, it will time out after about 20 minutes. Also, it only includes an octave of the range (middle C and up an octave). Note limit is 500, but once that is exhausted, you can reload the file to play it again. Also, this demo patch MAY run/respond a bit slower since it used a tiny bit more CPU to run than the non-demo patches.

http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/signup ... _demo2.php
Last edited by kcisANDderit on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:16 am, edited 1 time in total.
KVRist
 
169 posts since 18 May, 2010, from In-Limbo

Postby StickyWicket; Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:54 am

kcisANDderit wrote:my first tip is concerning the installation procedure...

some people have been getting a error msg about missing samples. it turns out that during installation they used the extract to option of the unzip software instead of extract here

here are the installation instructions [with my addition]:
1. Create a new folder where you want your new library to reside. Name this folder anything you wish.

2. Download the files (including "bonus files" shown at the bottom of this page) into the new folder you created and then unzip them [using the "extract here" option].


if you use extract to instead of extract here, extra subfolders will be created leading to an error msg when you try to load an instrument


I wish I read this before installing.... :roll:

I downloaded Diamond into a different folder than where all my Kontakt4 samples are kept, but both are on the same drive. What's the best way to fix this so I can use the "extract here" function so it will see all the samples?

Thanks,
Thanks,
Esoundz: Mesh
KVRAF
 
6309 posts since 2 Sep, 2003, from Surrey, UK

Postby DarkStar; Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:39 am

^^^
The easiest way is (probably) to delete them all then install as kcisANDderit describes.

Or, can you list your current Diamond folders and .nkx and .nc files. It might be possible just to move them around.
DarkStar
Interesting, if true ...
KVRAF
 
6309 posts since 2 Sep, 2003, from Surrey, UK

Postby DarkStar; Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:46 am

Pop Rock Strings

When you purchase this product, you will be redirected to a DLGuard page with the Installation instructions and listing your Downloads. You will also get a similar email.

Please note that the email lists the main download files but not the TVEC 3 files.

As far as I can see these are only on the DLGuard page. There are 2 [Download] links at the bottom of the page for the TVEC Instruments (177 MB (186,162,956 bytes)) and the TVEC 3.1 Instruments update (4.81 MB (5,047,694 bytes)).

So make sure you download at least those files from the DLGuard page. The other files on that page are not links so it is probably easier to download them from the email.

----------------------
Also your Receipt Number is on the DLGuard page not in the email, so copy and paste it somewhere safe.
DarkStar
Interesting, if true ...
KVRist
 
435 posts since 20 Nov, 2010, from stuck in transition

Postby kcisANDderit; Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm

StickyWicket wrote:
if you use extract to instead of extract here, extra subfolders will be created leading to an error msg when you try to load an instrument


I wish I read this before installing.... :roll:

I downloaded Diamond into a different folder than where all my Kontakt4 samples are kept, but both are on the same drive. What's the best way to fix this so I can use the "extract here" function so it will see all the samples?

Thanks,


as DarkStar said, it's easiest to delete and start from scratch. i think it may be more time consuming for you otherwise
KVRist
 
435 posts since 20 Nov, 2010, from stuck in transition

Postby kcisANDderit; Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:35 pm

DarkStar wrote:Pop Rock Strings

When you purchase this product, you will be redirected to a DLGuard page with the Installation instructions and listing your Downloads. You will also get a similar email.

Please note that the email lists the main download files but not the TVEC 3 files.

As far as I can see these are only on the DLGuard page. There are 2 [Download] links at the bottom of the page for the TVEC Instruments (177 MB (186,162,956 bytes)) and the TVEC 3.1 Instruments update (4.81 MB (5,047,694 bytes)).

So make sure you download at least those files from the DLGuard page. The other files on that page are not links so it is probably easier to download them from the email.

----------------------
Also your Receipt Number is on the DLGuard page not in the email, so copy and paste it somewhere safe.


RE: TVEC 3 for PRS, (for future reference)...

looking at the comparison chart posted above one will notice that, for Pop/Rock Strings, having TVEC 3 normally requires an update. it was only included in the group buy as the result of a mistake Kirk's assistant made (that may be the reason it's not in the email). Kirk generously chose not to correct that mistake. i think ppl who bought PRS in the GB truly got the deal of the year

anyone buying PRS after the group buy will have to buy TVEC 3 separately if they want it, currently $29 USD

i bought the TVEC 3 upgrade back when it first came out and i have to say it makes PRS a lot more versatile and much easier to use. i love it
KVRist
 
435 posts since 20 Nov, 2010, from stuck in transition

Postby kcisANDderit; Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:19 pm

Problem with NI Authorization Manager
(related to the missing sample error posted above)

musicalwarmth812 wrote:
Mikelo wrote:Went to activate offline in service centre but no option to enter serial code for Kirk Hunter Pop Rock strings.
Can't even try in demo mode as I get Patch encrypted and cannot be loaded unless the respective library is registered properly"
but as I said, there's no option to enter the serial code!


Mikelo, I am attaching Sven's post that solved my identical problem...

Sven wrote:Hi musicalwarmth812

Your issue is the same thing that happend last year during the PRS GB. Because some of us like to unzip the downloads into a new folder, the Native Instruments Service Center find the name of a few files (in your case not a file but a folder with the same name) needed for installation, create some of the registry keys and cannot move on because the following registry keys are not generated because the file that should do that is a folder. Because the first keys are created, NISC thinks that everything is fine and it doesn't ask for your serial number anymore. Therefore you cannot authorise either.

I created a PDF file last year and uploaded it to the bank and patch area here at KVR. This is the information based on a windows system and can be used for xp, vista and win7.

Here: http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=dl&id=1487

is the download link for my PDF. Follow every step very carefully and your library will work within at most ten minutes. Pay extra attention to the changes in the registry and look how everything is written.

Greetings
Sven
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KVRist
 
435 posts since 20 Nov, 2010, from stuck in transition

Postby kcisANDderit; Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:28 pm

Saving RAM
(how to create smaller intruments)

KirkHunter wrote:
musicdoc wrote:I'm only seeing these gigantic huge Kontakt progs that take close to a gig in ram. Is there a way of only loading one articulation or section without going into Kontakt and editing out what you don't need? Otherwise, even with a newer computer RAM in these kind of amounts sometimes gets hard to come by. Sometimes you just need a sustain sound without any fancy stuff.


Go here http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/Concer ... purge.html

You can then create your own smaller instruments.
Last edited by kcisANDderit on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
KVRian
 
842 posts since 27 Sep, 2010

Postby synchronizer; Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:35 pm

I'd like to point out that the "46 Strings" instrument in Diamond seems to have a sample missing: Short Notes, Staccato 3, Spiccato. If it's indeed a missing sample, I hope the problem will be addressed soon. I have had no more problems regarding missing content.
KVRAF
 
6309 posts since 2 Sep, 2003, from Surrey, UK

Postby DarkStar; Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:41 pm

DarkStar
Interesting, if true ...
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