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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:04 pm reply with quote
highkoo wrote:
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There's a test you can do here.

Well that was weird. Smile
Definitely. The combination of those sounds and the German voice-over made me think of Kraftwerk testing a new synth or something...
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I got the last half of the list all fundamental. But the first half was all over the place.
My ears are not warmed up, but is it weird that that was "hard", or thats the idea?
I really don't know. I got all of them "right" i.e. the expected result for a "fundamental hearer".
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:24 am reply with quote
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There's a test you can do to determine whether you're a "fundemental tone hearer" or an "overtone hearer". It's reproduced on the Hydrogenaudio forums here. (It's a short .flac file with 12 sets - each of which is repeated once - of two consecutive tones. For each set you have to say whether you think the pitch is increasing or decreasing).


On almost all of the sets I hear something that resembles harmonic progressions [edit: or maybe it's just tone pair, but mostly it sounds like harmonic progressions], with clear and and down going voices. So I guess that makes me a harmonic hearer?

Actually I find this problem with most additive synths too: unless there is a fairly complete series of overtones, I keep hearing the individual sines. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:45 am reply with quote
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tommy_d wrote:
There's a test you can do to determine whether you're a "fundemental tone hearer" or an "overtone hearer". It's reproduced on the Hydrogenaudio forums here. (It's a short .flac file with 12 sets - each of which is repeated once - of two consecutive tones. For each set you have to say whether you think the pitch is increasing or decreasing).


On almost all of the sets I hear something that resembles harmonic progressions [edit: or maybe it's just tone pair, but mostly it sounds like harmonic progressions], with clear and and down going voices. So I guess that makes me a harmonic hearer?

Actually I find this problem with most additive synths too: unless there is a fairly complete series of overtones, I keep hearing the individual sines. Razz
I hate to de-rail the thread, but I think this is quite interesting. Maybe it deserves a thread of it's own...(?)

EDIT: Done Very Happy (so that's how the Poll thingy works...)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:28 pm reply with quote
What about Christian Budde's recently released Bass Baron which says on the tin "engineered and developed for a royal bass processing"?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/delphiasiovst/files/Binaries /VST%20Plugins/BassBaron.7z/download
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:49 pm reply with quote
There's also this which - at least from the description - sounds similar to the MaxBass approach.

http://www.hotto.de/vstplugins/vstsmallspeakerbassenhancer.h tml

Haven't tested it yet though.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:32 pm reply with quote
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What about Christian Budde's recently released Bass Baron which says on the tin "engineered and developed for a royal bass processing"?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/delphiasiovst/files/Binaries /VST%20Plugins/BassBaron.7z/download

Well, your post is the only reference for that quote. And Google is telling me nothing about that plugin.
But dayum, thanks for that link. RazzRazz
Considering they are C.Buddes, theres some eye poppers in there that I have never played with...
Does it feel like Friday to anyone else...?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:31 am reply with quote
Christian Budde updates/releases new stuff on his sourceforge page without much fanfare those days. I came across this one completely by accident and then thought it might be relevant to that interesting thread. Please let us know how it fares in your opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:00 am reply with quote
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/delphiasiovst/files/Bi naries/VST%20Plugins/BassBaron.7z/download
No_Use wrote:
http://www.hotto.de/vstplugins/vstsmallspeakerbass enhancer.html
What?! What what what!?!

How did they slip under the radar? Surprised
eidenk wrote:
Christian Budde updates/releases new stuff on his sourceforge page without much fanfare those days
So it would seem!
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Please let us know how it fares in your opinion
You bet. Funny, I was fooling around with C. Budde's plugs yesterday: Butterworth LPF -> Christortion -> soft limiter
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:57 am reply with quote
Nothing against C. Budde, but I think you'll find those bass plugins pretty "grumbly"-sounding compared to MaxxBass or BBE. If they work in your host.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:36 am reply with quote
No_Use wrote:
There's also this which - at least from the description - sounds similar to the MaxBass approach.

http://www.hotto.de/vstplugins/vstsmallspeakerbassenhancer.h tml

Haven't tested it yet though.


Just tried it in Reaper on my laptop and seemed to work as described. The speakers are very small and could definitely hear adding some bottom to point where it could be over done quite easily. I haven't tried Maxxbass so I can't compare. Be interest to hear what some one familiar with Maxxbass or Renbass thinks about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:49 am reply with quote
Christian's blog and site don't mention this one at all. Weird. I will have to give this a try.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:49 am reply with quote
Chrisma wrote:
No_Use wrote:
There's also this which - at least from the description - sounds similar to the MaxBass approach.

http://www.hotto.de/vstplugins/vstsmallspeakerbassenhancer.h tml

Haven't tested it yet though.


Just tried it in Reaper on my laptop and seemed to work as described. The speakers are very small and could definitely hear adding some bottom to point where it could be over done quite easily. I haven't tried Maxxbass so I can't compare. Be interest to hear what some one familiar with Maxxbass or Renbass thinks about it.

I couldn't get his BassBaron to work with my host(s), but BassExtender I could make sound pretty good. Still not as good as MaxxBass to my ears, but a good free offering.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:37 am reply with quote
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Chrisma wrote:
No_Use wrote:
There's also this which - at least from the description - sounds similar to the MaxBass approach.

http://www.hotto.de/vstplugins/vstsmallspeakerbassenhancer.h tml

Haven't tested it yet though.


Just tried it in Reaper on my laptop and seemed to work as described. The speakers are very small and could definitely hear adding some bottom to point where it could be over done quite easily. I haven't tried Maxxbass so I can't compare. Be interest to hear what some one familiar with Maxxbass or Renbass thinks about it.

I couldn't get his BassBaron to work with my host(s), but BassExtender I could make sound pretty good. Still not as good as MaxxBass to my ears, but a good free offering.


When I read Christian's description of BassExtender, it does the opposite of what MaxxBass claims to do. MaxxBass is trying to increase bass perception by the concept of phantom pitch created by generation of higher harmonics with equal frequency separation implying low frequency pitch. BassExtender takes an existing signal and divides the frequency content creating a lower pitch than the input signal.

Two entirely different paradigms, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:40 am reply with quote
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bduffy wrote:
Chrisma wrote:
No_Use wrote:
There's also this which - at least from the description - sounds similar to the MaxBass approach.

http://www.hotto.de/vstplugins/vstsmallspeakerbassenhancer.h tml

Haven't tested it yet though.


Just tried it in Reaper on my laptop and seemed to work as described. The speakers are very small and could definitely hear adding some bottom to point where it could be over done quite easily. I haven't tried Maxxbass so I can't compare. Be interest to hear what some one familiar with Maxxbass or Renbass thinks about it.

I couldn't get his BassBaron to work with my host(s), but BassExtender I could make sound pretty good. Still not as good as MaxxBass to my ears, but a good free offering.


When I read Christian's description of BassExtender, it does the opposite of what MaxxBass claims to do. MaxxBass is trying to increase bass perception by the concept of phantom pitch created by generation of higher harmonics with equal frequency separation implying low frequency pitch. BassExtender takes an existing signal and divides the frequency content creating a lower pitch than the input signal.

Two entirely different paradigms, in my opinion.



christian didnt do bassextender
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:03 pm reply with quote
bduffy wrote:
Chrisma wrote:
No_Use wrote:
There's also this which - at least from the description - sounds similar to the MaxBass approach.

http://www.hotto.de/vstplugins/vstsmallspeakerbassenhancer.h tml

Haven't tested it yet though.


Just tried it in Reaper on my laptop and seemed to work as described. The speakers are very small and could definitely hear adding some bottom to point where it could be over done quite easily. I haven't tried Maxxbass so I can't compare. Be interest to hear what some one familiar with Maxxbass or Renbass thinks about it.

I couldn't get his BassBaron to work with my host(s), but BassExtender I could make sound pretty good. Still not as good as MaxxBass to my ears, but a good free offering.


Thanks Bduffy...

I think I messed with BassBaron or something simular of his a while back. Don't recall exactly what happened but I do recall kinda liking what I heard. Strange I forgot all about though.
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