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Compressors XTREME comparision (160 files)

VST, AU, etc. plug-in Virtual Effects discussion

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audioteknikk
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80 posts since 18 Apr, 2010

Postby audioteknikk; Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:26 am

I am not even able to open up your .dmg file!

I am on ubuntu and windows :roll:
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VariKusBrainZ
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3552 posts since 16 Dec, 2002, from over there

Postby VariKusBrainZ; Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:43 am

Shy wrote:SplitComp is light years ahead of them.


And at € 1252(excl. VAT) we can all afford a copy :hihi:
audioteknikk
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Postby audioteknikk; Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:57 am

I decided to make my example files available with info on my website. Or you can download it directly here:http://pub.300.mg/zMPLag

RedAmption in extreme action:
threshold -48db
ratio 20
attack 0.1ms
release 40ms
and varying other settings
All listed in a .rtf file inside the .zip along the audio files that is 44.1kHz 24bit.

Please let me know what you think :)
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JD Gaffe
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670 posts since 27 Sep, 2010

Postby JD Gaffe; Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:58 am

Personally I'd be more interested in a standard parameter amount across every compressor, with the make up gain adjusted so the original dB level stays uniform.

You know, how you would normally use a compressor. I may not like how one of your examples creates distortion when pushed to silly amounts, but what if I like the sound of it when used at typical levels?
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b-pole
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1147 posts since 4 Jul, 2006, from Germany

Postby b-pole; Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:30 am

At the 1st February 2012 all compressor names will be published.

can't wait to read the results. :wink:
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SPUMD
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19 posts since 10 Dec, 2009

Postby SPUMD; Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:46 pm

audioteknikk wrote:I am trying to register at speedupmydaw.com but after filling out all forms and clicking submit, notting happens. :help:

great initiative by the way. i have sent you some renderings of my compressor RedAmption too. hope they will be attached in the next round.
http://audioteknikk.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9&Itemid=9#RA

best regards
tor @ AudioTeknikk


Thank you for sending the files i will register you.
Your files will be added next round.

audioteknikk wrote:I am not even able to open up your .dmg file!

I am on ubuntu and windows :roll:


I will upload only a zipped version of the files.

JD Gaffe wrote:Personally I'd be more interested in a standard parameter amount across every compressor, with the make up gain adjusted so the original dB level stays uniform.

You know, how you would normally use a compressor. I may not like how one of your examples creates distortion when pushed to silly amounts, but what if I like the sound of it when used at typical levels?



Hi,

my experience is, that it's difficult to find compareble settings because some compressors have slower attacks which causes high peaks and less RMS/ loudness. Compressors have also very diffrent ratio maximums.

So this comparsion concentrates on which way each compressor can take the signal. Xtreme compressions give you a zoom view like a high magnifier on this point.

We decided that loudness is part of the compressors sound character and thats why we didn't balance the RMS of the files.

Best regards
SPUMD

b-pole wrote:can't wait to read the results. :wink:


b-pole my man, hope you are doin fine. :wink:
SPUMD
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19 posts since 10 Dec, 2009

Postby SPUMD; Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:22 pm

Tomorrow all files names will be published so it's the last call for the blind audition.
Ah Xoc Kin
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337 posts since 28 Dec, 2009

Postby Ah Xoc Kin; Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:11 pm

I look forward to the results. I was going to work on this last weekend but was unable to do that. I may still run the file through a couple of compressors I recently got :)
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SPUMD
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19 posts since 10 Dec, 2009

Postby SPUMD; Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:24 pm

Ah Xoc Kin wrote:I look forward to the results. I was going to work on this last weekend but was unable to do that. I may still run the file through a couple of compressors I recently got :)


cool


Here are the named files in an .iso image.
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Our Opinion
1. February 2012

The best is always a matter of taste and a matter of what you need.
If you like to compress the audio signal neutral, without adding color or or much sound, we found a lot of compressors that solve this task very well. Depending how far you compress the signal subtile changes were added.The Abbey Road compressors, Cytomic Glue, Nomad British MLC and E-3B and most of the Nebula compressors are a perfect examples for this.

But when it comes to adding sound and color, we found the following sticking out of the library.

Nebulas Boing 747 (file 021) and Voxengos Drumformer (file 141) create a nice soulful boom.

Mellowmuses Vintage CP3V (file 131), Nomads E-Comp (file 028) and UAD CS-1 (file 046) create a lot of atmosphere.

Izotopes Ozone 5 Comp (file 128) has a very unique and nice mid frequency sound.

Best bang for the bug we heard from Nebula Free Bundle, Meldas MPressor, Stillwells Rocket and DDMFs LinComp.

Izotopes Ozone 5 comp is in our opinion the most flexible and unique, and we love this comp. It's quit funny because we found Izotopes Ozone 4 (file 084) and Alloy (file 082) the worst sounding in this library.

All the best
SPUMD
bezusheist
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Postby bezusheist; Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:32 am

SPUMD wrote:...We decided that loudness is part of the compressors sound character and thats why we didn't balance the RMS of the files...


say what now?
penguinfromdeep
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1633 posts since 18 Nov, 2008

Postby penguinfromdeep; Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:37 am

So you didn't like Brainworx Vertigo or Softubes compressors like Summit etc?
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Shy
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4934 posts since 26 Jun, 2004

Postby Shy; Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:59 am

It makes no sense to comment on which compressors are best at "adding color" based on samples of the most extreme compression possible while maintaining proper, unsquashed sound, at which almost all fail -miserably-.

If this was a "color" test, people would tune the compressor to have what they think is the nicest color, not the best high threshold compression, and your opinion in that case could and would most likely be vastly different.

The good thing is that sensible people could hear for themselves just how terribly most of those compressors fail at high threshold compression. The bad thing is that most of the submissions are from people who have a very strange opinion of what are proper settings, or just have no idea how to properly tweak their compressor.

That leaves me with the usual conclusion and tip:
This is yet another loose reference that's nice to have but can and will seriously mislead you. Test things for yourself if you really want to know how good or bad the compressor you're interested in is.
"Music is spiritual. The music business is not." - Claudio Monteverdi
SPUMD
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19 posts since 10 Dec, 2009

Postby SPUMD; Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:56 am

bezusheist wrote:
SPUMD wrote:...We decided that loudness is part of the compressors sound character and thats why we didn't balance the RMS of the files...


say what now?


what?

penguinfromdeep wrote:So you didn't like Brainworx Vertigo or Softubes compressors like Summit etc?


Softubes Summit files ain't yet part of this library. It's not that i don't like Brainworx Vertigo but in my opinion this compressor does not stick out of this library. I think it's a good tool and that you can work with it, but i did not hear something special that made me say "wow".

But thats all a matter of taste. I like to work with Metric Halos Channelstrip and it's compressor or with the IK Multimedia stuff. But in the blind auditions i did not pick them and i still like to work with them. There are good enough and i get good results.

But if I look for something special... some more boom or atmosphere... then i know which tools to pick.
This library is not the ultimate judgment it's just informations and it's up to you what you do with it.

Shy wrote:It makes no sense to comment on which compressors are best at "adding color" based on samples of the most extreme compression possible while maintaining proper, unsquashed sound, at which almost all fail -miserably-.

If this was a "color" test, people would tune the compressor to have what they think is the nicest color, not the best high threshold compression, and your opinion in that case could and would most likely be vastly different.

The good thing is that sensible people could hear for themselves just how terribly most of those compressors fail at high threshold compression. The bad thing is that most of the submissions are from people who have a very strange opinion of what are proper settings, or just have no idea how to properly tweak their compressor.

That leaves me with the usual conclusion and tip:
This is yet another loose reference that's nice to have but can and will seriously mislead you. Test things for yourself if you really want to know how good or bad the compressor you're interested in is.



Well if you read my posts i do not use the word "best" in my opinion.

Like i said: "The best is always a matter of taste and a matter of what you need / searching for." and following this no file fails. It's just informations and you judge what you like and what you don't like.

In normal studio situations you would never use such xtreme settings it's just a way to see which path each compressor takes the signal and how far you can push it. The added sound gains with the xtreme compression and you can take it back with moderate settings.The xtreme compression works like a magnifier glass.

And before you go and buy things just use the stuff you already have and try to rebuild the sound you wanne go for, to see if you really need new tools.
Shy
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4934 posts since 26 Jun, 2004

Postby Shy; Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:16 pm

Well I'd say you're very wrong about the "magnifier glass" effect of extreme compression when it comes to "color". In many compressors, you're missing characteristics that are not "magnified", but simply completely lost with such settings. That's true for hardware as well as software compressors. One very obvious example is my API 525 (well known "very colorful" compressor), which has very different characteristics at different thresholds, and with which I'd never use such extreme settings to showcase its "color" because it's simply not there with them.
"Music is spiritual. The music business is not." - Claudio Monteverdi
SPUMD
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19 posts since 10 Dec, 2009

Postby SPUMD; Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:58 pm

Shy wrote:Well I'd say you're very wrong about the "magnifier glass" effect of extreme compression when it comes to "color". In many compressors, you're missing characteristics that are not "magnified", but simply completely lost with such settings. That's true for hardware as well as software compressors. One very obvious example is my API 525 (well known "very colorful" compressor), which has very different characteristics at different thresholds, and with which I'd never use such extreme settings to showcase its "color" because it's simply not there with them.


Look Shy some compressors in this library have more than one sample because different settings where used and the decision was made to picture this perspective. Xtreme compression does't mean that you have to take it to the limit, if you think an other setting promotes the compressor sound a better way, just do it.
We are going to add it to the library and people can hear it. Or if you think one of the compressors inside this library can do better just redo the files the way you like. We will add it to the library. No problem. But let us hear a difference let us hear how the comp works.

I'm very curios about your API 525 sound samples. Please send us the files.
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