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Tone2 Saurus Teaser - Competition - KVR Giveaway

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xx JPRacer xx
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1335 posts since 25 Jun, 2008, from Montreal, Canada

Postby xx JPRacer xx; Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:42 pm

If Saurus keep it's promise of 0-delay analogue filters modelling, audio-rate modulation and oversampling with a low CPU impact and no aliasing, then is the "other" synth badly optimise or there is something more here?
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Arksun
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Postby Arksun; Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:20 pm

xx JPRacer xx wrote:If Saurus keep it's promise of 0-delay analogue filters modelling, audio-rate modulation and oversampling with a low CPU impact and no aliasing, then is the "other" synth badly optimise or there is something more here?


Urs wrote:No worries. Many filters have been 0-delay for a long time, even MFM 1.0 had them, back in 2002.

Diva however has 0-delay-feedback-filters.
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Funk Dracula
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Postby Funk Dracula; Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:35 pm

Looking forward to this. One can never own too many synths, and Tone2 tends to think things through pretty spot on while making it fun.
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papatomany
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Postby papatomany; Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:58 pm

Late to the party, as always, but here I am.
Shifrin
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Postby Shifrin; Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:25 pm

Be interested to hear some audio ;)
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robindrieghe
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475 posts since 13 Oct, 2006

Postby robindrieghe; Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:06 pm

Markus from Tone2.com wrote:
Q: Does it need much CPU?

A: No. Unlike gladiator :)


my most cpu heavy synth and yet the one i love the most :)
Hard=Sherman filterbank 2,Emu xboard 49,some korg stuff and adam a7x monitors.
Soft=just like everybody here : always trimming down and buying more :)
z_old_account
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441 posts since 12 Mar, 2002, from Munich / Bavaria / Germany

Postby z_old_account; Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:18 am

Q: When will you release audio demos?

A: We are currently working on sound design. Audio demos will be availabe once we finsihed it.


Q: Are the anlog modeled filters of Saurus available in any other software synthesizer?

A: No, since we use a new and completely different approach than competing companies (like U-he) did. Our filters need low CPU, support self-osc, asymetric non-linearity (a k2 characteristic which is similar to the MS-20 filter) and have a very high precision.


Q: Does it need much CPU?

A: No. On our I7 test system we were able to run 40 instances with different patches at the same time without getting audio dropouts. Since we know that good performance is important for our cutomers we have taken a lot of effort in keeping the CPU as los possible without loosing sound quality.
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EvilDragon
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Postby EvilDragon; Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:45 am

Markus from Tone2.com wrote:Q: Are the anlog modeled filters of Saurus available in any other software synthesizer?

A: No, since we use a new and completely different approach than competing companies (like U-he) did. Our filters need low CPU, support self-osc, asymetric non-linearity (a k2 characteristic which is similar to the MS-20 filter) and have a very high precision.


I smell snake-oil. :)
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bmanic
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7247 posts since 3 Feb, 2003, from Finland, Espoo

Postby bmanic; Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:54 am

There are so many ways of implementing filters (at least as I understand it through my layman read of wikipedia and such) that I'm quite sure it's not just snake-oil.. but who knows.

If history is anything to go by then the filters in Saurus will most likely be sublime! The filters in Gladiator and Electra-X are absolutely superb and completely unique in their behavior and sound!

I realize that I'm starting to sound like a Tone2 fanboy but respect has to be given where respect has been earned. Markus knows how to code a good filter. He also knows how to destroy a sweet sounding thing with way over-the-top "psychoacoustic blah blah blah" processing. :hihi:

Cheers!
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penguinfromdeep
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Postby penguinfromdeep; Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:58 am

Interesting to see which approach sounds better in the end! Whoa, I like this competition thing, pushes things forward
Developers! Developers! Your plug-ins should be circuit modeled!!! It's the shizzz! Also don't forget oversampling & 0dfb filters!
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filter303
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512 posts since 14 Jun, 2006, from Espoo / Finland

Postby filter303; Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:11 am

To me ElectraX and Gladiator2 are some of the most exciting synths out there, and I am very curious to see if the Saurus will deliver what it promises.

I have to mention that because there are so many analog copycats out there, this product is not as exciting as these previous Tone2 synths.
The thing I liked about ElectraX and Gladiator most is that they are not just basic VA's, but they have tons of crazy new "digital" stuff to learn. Both are very unique products IMO.
It remains to be seen if I can get the same feeling playing with the Saurus.
fidox
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38 posts since 20 May, 2002

Postby fidox; Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:12 am

filter303 wrote:To me ElectraX and Gladiator2 are some of the most exciting synths out there.
Both are very unique products IMO.


+1
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mellotronaut
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9975 posts since 2 Jan, 2005, from somewhere in the woods

Postby mellotronaut; Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:16 am

fidox wrote:
filter303 wrote:To me ElectraX and Gladiator2 are some of the most exciting synths out there.
Both are very unique products IMO.


+1


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EvilDragon
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10202 posts since 6 Jan, 2009, from Croatia

Postby EvilDragon; Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:16 am

bmanic wrote:There are so many ways of implementing filters (at least as I understand it through my layman read of wikipedia and such) that I'm quite sure it's not just snake-oil.. but who knows.


They mention "0-delay" filters, but that's completely different from "0-feedback-delay" filters that Diva sports. Also, if there were any simpler and less CPU demanding methods of doing such component modelled filters as in Diva, don't you think u-he would use those instead of what they used to achieve it?
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4damind
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3592 posts since 17 Aug, 2004, from Berlin, Germany

Postby 4damind; Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:42 am

Gladiator and Electrix are of course nice products.
Anyway, I don't think this are some of the most exciting products this days (I see more U-He with Diva, Zebra etc. there)... but if they have a good new product on the table and we have something real to test, they are welcome ;)
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