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February Contest: Gossip

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D.H. MOD
 
8020 posts since 20 Jun, 2008

Postby D.H. Miltz; Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:09 am

Emerald Tablet wrote:no kidding? one has to clear oneshots? thats what the law says?
As far as I can tell, yes.
D.H. MOD
 
8020 posts since 20 Jun, 2008

Postby D.H. Miltz; Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:04 am

I have, with regret, disqualified gorgorgathgorgorgor's entry, by the following logic:

1. The Stevie Wonder samples used, even if only one-shots, aren't legal.
2. They thus violate the KVR rules, and so the song can't be here.
3. If the song can't be here, it can't very well be in the contest.

I'll note that what's illegal and what's wrong don't always coincide for me, and that I have no ill will toward gorgorgathgorgorgor and I hope he'll keep entering the contest, and that I'm sorry it came to this.

In a minute I'll PM those who voted for "Happiness" to tell them they can revote if they wish.
KVRian
 
593 posts since 17 May, 2011, from Philadelphia

Postby evo2slo; Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:16 am

Not trying to be difficult, but it still seems like there is a little grey area here. Sound recording copyrights from 1972 or earlier are subject to state or common law. Do we know what the state law is in Texas? And if the state law in Texas is such that there is violation, couldn't Gorgorgathgorgorgor's master recording be given to someone in a European country to host - thereby not violating copyright so long as the Stevie Wonder sample used is from 50 years ago?
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KVRAF
 
4518 posts since 8 Feb, 2003, from London, UK
 

Postby pljones; Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:22 am

Can someone phone Stevie and ask him?
KVRist
 
198 posts since 3 Sep, 2010

Postby GMoneh; Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:01 am

D.H. Miltz wrote:I have, with regret, disqualified gorgorgathgorgorgor's entry.


That's regrettable, as this one was one of my top selections for voting this month.

I understand your logic, and support your decision (we don't want to go through the controversy that almost left us without a contest again, do we?). You have to enforce the rules, and that job can sometimes be a bitch.

However, it's such a shame that this wasn't caught earlier when there was chance of a fix, that I wanted to suggest an exception be made for gorgorgathgorgorgor to submit a new version if he so wishes replacing his sampled one shot drums for some other more acceptable drum samples. Frankly, the drums are not even the star of his track: the bass and vocal performances and the clavinet sound are, and those are perfectly legal. He might want to replace the drums for another sound and the track might sound the same :) ...

I know this might set down a bad precedent, so this suggestion might not fly. I just wanted to put it out there that I at least would be ok if such one time chance was given...


G.
KVRAF
 
3038 posts since 22 Sep, 2003, from under the sun

Postby Wopelka; Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:21 am

GMoneh wrote:
D.H. Miltz wrote:I have, with regret, disqualified gorgorgathgorgorgor's entry.


I understand your logic, and support your decision (we don't want to go through the controversy that almost left us without a contest again, do we?). You have to enforce the rules, and that job can sometimes be a bitch.


+10000

GMoneh wrote:However, it's such a shame that this wasn't caught earlier when there was chance of a fix, that I wanted to suggest an exception be made for gorgorgathgorgorgor to submit a new version if he so wishes replacing his sampled one shot drums for some other more acceptable drum samples. Frankly, the drums are not even the star of his track: the bass and vocal performances and the clavinet sound are, and those are perfectly legal. He might want to replace the drums for another sound and the track might sound the same :) ...

I know this might set down a bad precedent, so this suggestion might not fly. I just wanted to put it out there that I at least would be ok if such one time chance was given...


now that D.H. Miltz addressed the question, I think we just have to welcome his decision once for all. It's already such a mess, with all the revoting thing.

I agree that it's a shame that this wasn't caught earlier, but gorgorgathgorgorgor could have asked before submitting.
KVRAF
 
3038 posts since 22 Sep, 2003, from under the sun

Postby Wopelka; Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:42 am

pljones wrote:Wopelka: shame about the vocals (sorry). Shameful fade out! But some good stuff in there, too.


thanks for listening and reviewing. Yeah, the fade-out is not my usual trick, but I was in a rush to finish this song in time according to my own schedule.

May I ask why the vocals didn't work for you? (don't be afraid to hurt me) - my german pronunciation, the technical quality of singing, the flow, the timbre of voice, the mixing, all of the latters or other things?
KVRist
 
198 posts since 3 Sep, 2010

Postby GMoneh; Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:57 am

Wopelka wrote:now that D.H. Miltz addressed the question, I think we just have to welcome his decision once for all. It's already such a mess, with all the revoting thing.

I agree that it's a shame that this wasn't caught earlier, but gorgorgathgorgorgor could have asked before submitting.


You are right, of course... I apologize to D.H. Miltz for second guessing a decision that must not have come lightly...
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KVRAF
 
4518 posts since 8 Feb, 2003, from London, UK
 

Postby pljones; Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:15 am

Wopelka wrote:
pljones wrote:Wopelka: shame about the vocals (sorry). Shameful fade out! But some good stuff in there, too.
thanks for listening and reviewing. Yeah, the fade-out is not my usual trick, but I was in a rush to finish this song in time according to my own schedule.

May I ask why the vocals didn't work for you? (don't be afraid to hurt me) - my german pronunciation, the technical quality of singing, the flow, the timbre of voice, the mixing, all of the latters or other things?
It was more that it didn't gel too well for me with the music. Possibly the production side was keeping some separation but it sounded like the tune and words were very separate entities. As I didn't understand (due to language) the words, they were "in the way" of the (very nice) music. Technically, the timbre was fine and (allowing for the disconnect), the flow overall seemed okay. I can't comment on the pronunciation (I'd have guessed the language was Dutch if asked, though, I think -- but I'm a dreadful judge of these things in general).

However - having vocals at all always adds to a song, so I don't think I would have enjoyed it as much with them stripped entirely.
KVRist
 
373 posts since 19 Jan, 2011, from Texas
 

Postby gorgorgathgorgorgor; Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:25 am

D.H. Miltz wrote:I just spotted this:
gorgorgathgorgorgor wrote:drums sampled from an old Stevie Wonder record (one-shots only, hoping that's kosher)


It's not. But I don't know what to do about it this far into things. DQ?

On the one hand, I probably should have seen it sooner (if I had I could have asked for a resubmission); on the other, folks should know better, not just for the contest but for the whole site.

I have to think about this.


This sucks, Would have been nice to know, as I had plenty of time to fix it if I knew there was a problem (that is after all why I disclosed it). I am Officially declaring myself the Winner of the Happiest song contest! :hihi:
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KVRist
 
373 posts since 19 Jan, 2011, from Texas
 

Postby gorgorgathgorgorgor; Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:34 am

I have ash-canned the offending file from Soundcloud, and I am conceding the election to my worthy opponent, may he start two wars of aggression and explode the national debt. Thank you for your support.
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KVRist
 
373 posts since 19 Jan, 2011, from Texas
 

Postby gorgorgathgorgorgor; Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:15 am

For the enjoyment of all.
http://soundcloud.com/gorgorgathgorgorg ... hgorgorgor
and seriously, no hard feelings, I should probably have known better.
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D.H. MOD
 
8020 posts since 20 Jun, 2008

Postby D.H. Miltz; Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:01 pm

Thanks for understanding, gorgorgathgorgorgor (and the rest of you).


Also: updated Doc Jon's post with Freesound.org credits.
KVRian
 
593 posts since 17 May, 2011, from Philadelphia

Postby evo2slo; Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:17 pm

You've got a tough job there D.H. - If you don't run a tight ship then no one will be able to sail. What you do is greatly appreciated.

Nice that gorgorgathgorgorgor is such a class act (as much as a blood thirsty barbarian can be, anyway) :hihi:
KVRist
 
373 posts since 19 Jan, 2011, from Texas
 

Postby gorgorgathgorgorgor; Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:59 pm

evo2slo wrote:Nice that gorgorgathgorgorgor is such a class act (as much as a blood thirsty barbarian can be, anyway) :hihi:

Don't be so sure! For now I have voted! Mua ha ha ha!
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