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Neon Breath
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:01 pm reply with quote
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It is possible that in future versions we can manipulate samples like Steinberg padshop?? It would be really amazing.....


Hey andros1983,

I thought I'd make up a quick granular demo for you to listen to using Alchemy's granular engine.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4849676#484967 6

It uses a single sample. What I did for the manipulation in this is pretty straightforward. On a midi-keyboard, I assigned eight parameters for performance. The position knob was assigned to the modwheel and an encoder; it was also modulated in small amounts by a random hold LFO. The stretch knob (which sets the rate at which Alchemy will read through the sample) was assigned to a knob, as was grain size, grain density, random time, random pitch, and delay and reverb.

Everything you'll hear was me performing all of those parameters in real-time, in one take. The idea was to show a variety of textures and sounds you can get out of the engine with what I consider to be minimal tweaking. The track is kind of a noise/soundscape track, but you can adjust Alchemy's parameters to make really nice "normal" sounding tracks and sounds; consider that you get four sources to work with (I used only one source), Alchemy's granular engine offers an extremely powerful option. I definitely suggest playing around with it a bit to learn it in and out--you'll be really happy you did.

Honestly, I personally feel that working with Alchemy's granular engine is the best you can currently get short of designing your own granular instrument in something like Max, Csound, or Reaktor, etc.


Nice experiments! Well done.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:49 pm reply with quote
@Neon Breath

Thanks for the compliments on the track.

Yeah, the Ferrari/Porsche example is kind of true Laughing . But let's not be too hard on the OP, Alchemy is so deep, it's kind of hard to always know everything it's capable of without spending dedicated time with the manual.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:12 pm reply with quote
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@Neon Breath

Thanks for the compliments on the track.

Yeah, the Ferrari/Porsche example is kind of true Laughing . But let's not be too hard on the OP, Alchemy is so deep, it's kind of hard to always know everything it's capable of without spending dedicated time with the manual.

If I get a hold of this, your BOTH, cooked!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:17 pm reply with quote
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But let's not be too hard on the OP, Alchemy is so deep, it's kind of hard to always know everything it's capable of without spending dedicated time with the manual.


yeah yeah was just playing a bit here, don't worry!! And true, it's a deep synth and like with most deep synths/tools, it takes time.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:37 pm reply with quote
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@Neon Breath

Thanks for the compliments on the track.

Yeah, the Ferrari/Porsche example is kind of true Laughing . But let's not be too hard on the OP, Alchemy is so deep, it's kind of hard to always know everything it's capable of without spending dedicated time with the manual.

If I get a hold of this, your BOTH, cooked!! Very Happy


Shocked Whoa! Shocked

If you got hold of that, I wouldn't care if I got cooked. The question is, how long would you be able to hold on to it? Pretty sure the stories of the owners of that thing would read something like those of the One Ring..
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:19 pm reply with quote
andros1983 wrote:
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It is possible that in future versions we can manipulate samples like Steinberg padshop?? It would be really amazing.....


Yes I agree I think that would be quite amazing. I've tested out both software and I find padshop perhaps a little bit more unique than Alchemy in some areas but that's just me. Overall both of them are very amazing in there own ways of creating sounds. I know one thing I think you'll be quite happy with the padshop just like for me I'm quite happy with both Stienberg-padshop and IL-harmor. I'm just going nuts over both of them Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:25 pm reply with quote
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andros1983 wrote:
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It is possible that in future versions we can manipulate samples like Steinberg padshop?? It would be really amazing.....


Yes I agree I think that would be quite amazing. I've tested out both software and I find padshop perhaps a little bit more unique than Alchemy in some areas but that's just me. Overall both of them are very amazing in there own ways of creating sounds. I know one thing I think you'll be quite happy with the padshop just like for me I'm quite happy with both Stienberg-padshop and IL-harmor. I'm just going nuts over both of them Very Happy


But again, what does ''manipulate samples like padshop'' exactly mean? Shrug What are the Padshop manipulation techniques that can not be achieve with Alchemy? Just curious here, cause I don't get it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:03 pm reply with quote
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Clifton wrote:
andros1983 wrote:
Hi.
It is possible that in future versions we can manipulate samples like Steinberg padshop?? It would be really amazing.....


Yes I agree I think that would be quite amazing. I've tested out both software and I find padshop perhaps a little bit more unique than Alchemy in some areas but that's just me. Overall both of them are very amazing in there own ways of creating sounds. I know one thing I think you'll be quite happy with the padshop just like for me I'm quite happy with both Stienberg-padshop and IL-harmor. I'm just going nuts over both of them Very Happy


But again, what does ''manipulate samples like padshop'' exactly mean? Shrug What are the Padshop manipulation techniques that can not be achieve with Alchemy? Just curious here, cause I don't get it.


I'm sure Alchemy has alot more to it overall than what padshop has to offer but I'm just scratching the surface of both of them. Steinberg has created an easyer way of manipulating samples in which I find it more easyer and intuitive. Alchemy on the other hand does the same thing but not exactly sounding identical to padshop since it has it's own uniqueness (something I couldnt get into details about). Alchemy is hard to program and I kind of feel it is time consuming to create my own patches since you have to be jumping all over the place to come up with your own patches. For now it may be better off for me just to purchase sounds than to make my own in alchemy. I know one thing alchemy and absynth 5 are both difficult to make your own sounds out of scratch but again it takes alot of skills and patiance.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:29 pm reply with quote
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Alchemy is hard to program and I kind of feel it is time consuming to create my own patches since you have to be jumping all over the place to come up with your own patches

Have you watched the tutorial videos on our site?

http://www.camelaudio.com/tutorials.php?tID=14

Dan does a great job of explaining the various features, some of which are not so obvious at first. Once learned, the workflow is pretty quick. Understanding the signal flow is really important too (left to right, top to bottom is the quickest way to describe it).

There are loads of different ways to manipulate sounds in interesting ways, many of which are not possible in other synths, but it takes time to learn.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:00 pm reply with quote
Is Alchemy supporting granular synthesis?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:03 pm reply with quote
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Is Alchemy supporting granular synthesis?

Yes ... Alchemy includes granular, additive and spectral resynthesis ...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:29 pm reply with quote
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Alchemy is hard to program and I kind of feel it is time consuming to create my own patches since you have to be jumping all over the place to come up with your own patches. For now it may be better off for me just to purchase sounds than to make my own in alchemy. I know one thing alchemy and absynth 5 are both difficult to make your own sounds out of scratch but again it takes alot of skills and patiance.


Strange, really. Cause I totally feel the opposite! For me Alchemy is very easy to program and it's one of the easiest synths around to get amazing sounds without too much effort and hours spent. Well, to each its own Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:08 am reply with quote
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Clifton wrote:

Alchemy is hard to program and I kind of feel it is time consuming to create my own patches since you have to be jumping all over the place to come up with your own patches. For now it may be better off for me just to purchase sounds than to make my own in alchemy. I know one thing alchemy and absynth 5 are both difficult to make your own sounds out of scratch but again it takes alot of skills and patiance.


Strange, really. Cause I totally feel the opposite! For me Alchemy is very easy to program and it's one of the easiest synths around to get amazing sounds without too much effort and hours spent. Well, to each its own Wink


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:58 pm reply with quote
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Alchemy is hard to program and I kind of feel it is time consuming to create my own patches since you have to be jumping all over the place to come up with your own patches. For now it may be better off for me just to purchase sounds than to make my own in alchemy. I know one thing alchemy and absynth 5 are both difficult to make your own sounds out of scratch but again it takes alot of skills and patiance.


Strange, really. Cause I totally feel the opposite! For me Alchemy is very easy to program and it's one of the easiest synths around to get amazing sounds without too much effort and hours spent. Well, to each its own Wink


I agree with you that it might be very easy to program afterall but I just simply lost the patiance to really dig in deeper into alchemy's engine since it didn't fit my cryteria to what patches I like to create. Well at least not right now anyway. I'm just sort of comparing to what new software synths I like to program thease days since there comming out with newer ones HiHi
Anyway I didn't know this was Alchemy's territory untill someone here had mentioned about padshop here and I do apologize.
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