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Firepod and Yamaha MR16 not working with Firewire express card. Here's the deal with the Firepod: 1. The Firepod works fine when i plug a mic into it and put the knob on input. 2. There is no output nor input to any software. I get a jumping meter on signal test in Control panel, Audio devices. 3. I get a blue light, device is recognized within the Firepod control panel. 4. Driver is recognized within the software (Cubase, Live). 5. I get the inputs and outputs in VST connections 6. ASIO4ALL is installed and works fine with the realtech soundcard. 7. When i hit play - software seems to run but no audio 8. Audio works fine with M-Audio Fast Track. 9. System freezes on Windows logo when i turn it on with the Ecard plugged in. Not getting sync with MR16 Ecard info: Vendor : (104C) Texas Instruments Chipset: (8235) XIO2200A Revision: 01 Support: Compatible, no known issues. System: Lenovo i7 8gig RAM OS: Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit Service Pack 1 [6.1.7601] I heard that former revisions of these ecards worked fine. Why isn't it working now? HELP!!  |
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Didn't we all tell you: using FireWire interfaces is asking for trouble. The protocol is not well-defined enough, which is why only the TI implementation is "correct". Also the express card has to go through the same periferals chip and BIOS routine that made the built-in firewire chip (if any) not work properly.
So sell it all and stick to USB. In theory FireWire has the better cards for data streams, but firstly that's not really relevant anymore with current multi-core processors, and secondly it means nothing if it doesn't work at all in practice. ---- We are the KVR collective. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. 
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9. System freezes on Windows logo when i turn it on with the Ecard plugged in.
sounds to me like you got a bum firewire controller.. see if you can exchange it for a different brand maybe.. i have used firewire for about 7 years and i am very pleased with it.. i actually had much worse luck with USB.. ----  |
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ford442 wrote: 9. System freezes on Windows logo when i turn it on with the Ecard plugged in.
sounds to me like you got a bum firewire controller.. see if you can exchange it for a different brand maybe.. i have used firewire for about 7 years and i am very pleased with it.. i actually had much worse luck with USB.. I tried 3 different ecards right off the shop. It made the shop owned laptop freeze in a much worse way... |
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BertKoor wrote: Didn't we all tell you: using FireWire interfaces is asking for trouble. The protocol is not well-defined enough, which is why only the TI implementation is "correct". Also the express card has to go through the same periferals chip and BIOS routine that made the built-in firewire chip (if any) not work properly.
So sell it all and stick to USB. In theory FireWire has the better cards for data streams, but firstly that's not really relevant anymore with current multi-core processors, and secondly it means nothing if it doesn't work at all in practice. I was fearing this before i bought the laptop. What can you do that premium sound cards are Firewire. (or atleast some of them).... Any Advice? |
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Use only a Texas Instruments (TI) 1394 Chipset ---- www.voltagedisciple.com Patches for ACE,PREDATOR,SYNPLANT,SUB BOOM BASS,PUNCH AALTO,CIRCLE,BLADE and Ableton LIVE Packs http://syikom.wordpress.com/ my blog |
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risome wrote: Use only a Texas Instruments (TI) 1394 Chipset
I am. Check out the info above. |
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There's a forum regular going by the nick jcschild, he's called Scott who works at ADK and he's extremely knowledgeable about all kinds of FireWire trouble on laptops.
Some quotes from him in simular threads: jcschild wrote: all the issues we have with laptops (even crap firewire chipsets) all stem from POWER MANAGMENT... every DPC spike can be traced to exactly this.
Quote: adding an Express slot firewire card generally does NOT solve the issue. if low latency is not a concern get a USB interface. if you want to use a good quality firewire interface then you options are very limited.
Apple or custom built laptop for audio. Quote: at this point its not even about the firewire chipset as much as its about bios, power saving setting, C states. its a major crap shoot with off the shelf even for USB.
Quote: we had to get custom bios wrote to turn things off and other things on. previous laptop we had to have a bios wrote as well...
Quote: Quote: Don't the ExpressCard interfaces, like RME and Echo resolve this issue? nope the express slot is part of the issue or the chipset controlling it and how the bios is written.
the Express slot is controlled generally by the same chipset that controls the Card reader (a good way to find out what chipset the system has is to go to support/drivers and see what the cardreader chipset is. there is no such thing as a TI based chipset laptop thats new anymore period. leaving us with crappy chipsets. the Express slot is attached via a bridge/controller. regardless unless TI chipset a laptop with firewire: the firewire, express slot and card reader are all on the same controller chip. i have seen this on every laptop that does not have TI. if it has TI then all 3 are TI chipset. still on a controller. now some laptops lately have had a mix (very few have firewire anymore) with the esata being a different chipset (and usually thru a usb chipset) ---- We are the KVR collective. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
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BertKoor wrote: There's a forum regular going by the nick jcschild, he's called Scott who works at ADK and he's extremely knowledgeable about all kinds of FireWire trouble on laptops.
Some quotes from him in simular threads: jcschild wrote: all the issues we have with laptops (even crap firewire chipsets) all stem from POWER MANAGMENT... every DPC spike can be traced to exactly this.
Quote: adding an Express slot firewire card generally does NOT solve the issue. if low latency is not a concern get a USB interface. if you want to use a good quality firewire interface then you options are very limited.
Apple or custom built laptop for audio. Quote: at this point its not even about the firewire chipset as much as its about bios, power saving setting, C states. its a major crap shoot with off the shelf even for USB.
Quote: we had to get custom bios wrote to turn things off and other things on. previous laptop we had to have a bios wrote as well...
Quote: Quote: Don't the ExpressCard interfaces, like RME and Echo resolve this issue? nope the express slot is part of the issue or the chipset controlling it and how the bios is written.
the Express slot is controlled generally by the same chipset that controls the Card reader (a good way to find out what chipset the system has is to go to support/drivers and see what the cardreader chipset is. there is no such thing as a TI based chipset laptop thats new anymore period. leaving us with crappy chipsets. the Express slot is attached via a bridge/controller. regardless unless TI chipset a laptop with firewire: the firewire, express slot and card reader are all on the same controller chip. i have seen this on every laptop that does not have TI. if it has TI then all 3 are TI chipset. still on a controller. now some laptops lately have had a mix (very few have firewire anymore) with the esata being a different chipset (and usually thru a usb chipset) |
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ydaffan wrote: BertKoor wrote: [copy of entire post, deleted] ---- We are the KVR collective. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
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BertKoor wrote: ydaffan wrote: BertKoor wrote: [copy of entire post, deleted] How do i reach this guy in order to get some advice ? Thanks, Yaron. |
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"It made the shop owned laptop freeze in a much worse way..."
Again - faulty hardware - faulty i say!! ---- |
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ford442 wrote: "It made the shop owned laptop freeze in a much worse way..."
Again - faulty hardware - faulty i say!! 3 different units??? |
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ydaffan wrote: How do i reach this guy in order to get some advice ? The company he works for: http://www.adkproaudio.com
I already gave his screen nickname, you can search his KVR profile yourself through his posts. Hint: forum search allows to search for author name only. ---- We are the KVR collective. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
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BertKoor wrote: ydaffan wrote: How do i reach this guy in order to get some advice ? The company he works for: http://www.adkproaudio.com
I already gave his screen nickname, you can search his KVR profile yourself through his posts. Hint: forum search allows to search for author name only. Did the search for both jschild and Scott and no results... |
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