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Drumming with brushes

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robfigee
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66 posts since 21 Jan, 2012, from Berkelland, The Netherlands

Postby robfigee; Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:40 am Drumming with brushes

Hi, I am now using Mulab to create drum loops, which goes very well.
The only thing I cannot make is a loop using brushes.
I managed to make something simular with open and closed Hihat, but that does not really sound the way I wanted.
Does anyone know how to create the sound of brushes?
Thanks in advance for your reply'

Rob
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Reincke
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289 posts since 26 Jul, 2010, from Germany

Postby Reincke; Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:16 am

Hi Rob,

unfortunately MuLab still has no "brush button" ... :hihi: :oops: (sorry for that inadequate joke).

I guess you know how to add VSTi-plugins in MuLab for more instruments. I think there still are no free drum plugins with brush sounds. So either you have to buy a product like "addictive drums" (with the additional "jazz adpaks", http://www.xlnaudio.com), or you download brush samples e.g. from freesound.org and create a MuDrum or MultiSampler in MuLab on your own. The latter will be a bit of work. Try http://www.orangetreesamples.com/downlo ... unkKit.rar (102MB!!!) for some tasty drum samples. Hope this helps.
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bpblog
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1557 posts since 22 Apr, 2009, from Belgrade

Postby bpblog; Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:32 am

pljones has created SFZ mappings for the Jazz Funk Kit:

http://www.drealm.info/sfz/GregJazz/

so, download the kit, download the SFZ mappings, and then grab sfz or shortcircuit.
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robfigee
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66 posts since 21 Jan, 2012, from Berkelland, The Netherlands

Postby robfigee; Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:03 am

Thanks. I will try the JazzFunk Kit although I am not sure how it works.
Rob
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Reincke
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289 posts since 26 Jul, 2010, from Germany

Postby Reincke; Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:55 am

Hi again,
now I'm not sure if the JazzFunkKit includes a full brush kit. At http://www.drealm.info/sfz/K-v-R/SWTrex.html you get samples incl. sfzmappings for 2 complete brush kits (thanks bpblog for pljones' site).
robfigee
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66 posts since 21 Jan, 2012, from Berkelland, The Netherlands

Postby robfigee; Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:40 am

That's right, I did not see any brushes.
I downloaded the Brush Kit and mapping now.
What I do not know is where to place them inside Mulab.

Rob
VariKusBrainZ
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3591 posts since 16 Dec, 2002, from over there

Postby VariKusBrainZ; Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:58 am

You can also smooth the attack of the hits and add a little noise if you need to fudge it
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pljones
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4621 posts since 8 Feb, 2003, from London, UK

Postby pljones; Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:22 am

robfigee wrote:That's right, I did not see any brushes.
I downloaded the Brush Kit and mapping now.
What I do not know is where to place them inside Mulab.

Rob
To use multisamples mapped in SFZ format, you need an SFZ-format capable multisample player, such as rgc:audio's sfz.exe (you need the patched version 1.97 available from the WayBackMachine, linked from my site to avoid glitches on multi-core machines; Cakewalk still, AFAIUI, don't supply this; note that WBM links may have recently changed...). Then you drop the SFZ (or whatever) .DLL onto a rack slot (or insert the instrument), as with any other VSTi. Once that's there, you pop open the VST plug-in's user interface, click the right place and find and select the ".sfz" file. Assuming you stored the samples in the place the .sfz file was expecting, the multisampler will then load up the samples according to the mapping and you can play them with MIDI notes.

(Of course, I still think MULAB should use SFZ for its internal multisampler... I would, though...)
robfigee
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66 posts since 21 Jan, 2012, from Berkelland, The Netherlands

Postby robfigee; Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:09 pm

Hi, I followed your instructions as well as possible.
I now have in my folder with all other VST's: 5 files with SFZ extension and 5 folders with the same name ending with BPM. Each of these folders contains two other folders named FILL and STYLE.
Also there is the SVZ.dll as plug-in.
I placed that plug-in in Rack 1. The SVZ interface appears.
Double clicked in the blank space after FILE and chose one of the SVZ files.
So far so good, but one problem: There is no sound.
Also when i click the place in the top of the Plug-in Interface, where with other VST's I can choose a vatiantion of that VST, I get a long empty list, while the text in that frame is just the number "1".
No doubt there is something wrong, but I do not know what.
The downloaded and extracted files were:
Pattinhouse Midi Patterns for Jazz brush Kit.zip , and
SWTrex Pattinhouse Brush.zip

Rob
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pljones
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4621 posts since 8 Feb, 2003, from London, UK

Postby pljones; Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:16 pm

You need to watch your typing. Names are important to computers. "SFZ" and "SVZ" are not the same thing. Sometimes the computer will helpfully say "File not found" if you get something wrong. Sometimes it will stay silent about your error.

"Pattinhouse Midi Patterns for Jazz brush Kit.zip" will contain MIDI files. MIDI files do not make any sound. They tell something that can generate sounds what sounds you'd like generated.

"SWTrex Pattinhouse Brush.zip" -- you'll need to explain what this is, say what it contains and where you put the contents and state where the instructions that came with it said to put the contents.

If you only got the SFZ mapping files, then you didn't follow the instructions which say you also need to get the samples. SFZ mapping files (a bit like MIDI) do not make sound - they just tell the multisampler how to use a set of samples that must also be provided.
robfigee
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66 posts since 21 Jan, 2012, from Berkelland, The Netherlands

Postby robfigee; Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:54 am

Hi, thanks for all your help. The files I downloaded were those Reincke mentioned.
Because I am not that much a computer technician and because of very bad Eye sight I have great troubles reading all the text.
So I give up to get a brush kit.
Anyway, thanks for trying to help me,

Rob
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pljones
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4621 posts since 8 Feb, 2003, from London, UK

Postby pljones; Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:29 pm

robfigee
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66 posts since 21 Jan, 2012, from Berkelland, The Netherlands

Postby robfigee; Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:11 am

Thanks. I must have been doing things wrong for I still did not get it to work.
Out of pure frustration I followed the first suggestion of this Thread and bought a Brush Kit with some 150 MB of brush loops.
So once more I want to thank all you guys for the help you gave me.
Regards,

Rob

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