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whyterabbyt wrote: Patton wrote: So gift is only "permanent" when Christmas = false and analogy = ignored.
Now you're just babbling. I'll repeat, since it seems hard for you. If something is described as a 'christmas gift' dont expect it to be available forever; the description implies a short-term offer. That's the only assertion I made. And no analogy came with it. Anything else you want to conjure out of that, it comes from your own imagination, so you might as well make your cryptic and incoherent comments to yourself, not me. K'thx,bye. Actually, you argued that Christmas is temporary and thus, the offer. The description doesn't imply a short term offer, given that gifts are usually permanent. Which is probably why you made a snide remark about "Christmas" and not "gift". Plus the fact that NI "gifts" from earlier years weren't yanked after a few months... |
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whyterabbyt wrote: Patton wrote: So gift is only "permanent" when Christmas = false and analogy = ignored.
Now you're just babbling. I'll repeat, since it seems hard for you. If something is described as a 'christmas gift' dont expect it to be available forever; the description implies a short-term offer. That's the only assertion I made. And no analogy came with it. I was actually agreeing with you (in my own muddled way  )
No, I wouldn't expect a Christmas gift to be available forever, I think assuming a Christmas promotion will be open permanently is rather strange. *But* I do think in this day and age, and especially with a company as large as NI that the installer should be available 'forever' to those who registered during the promotion. ---- ()_() (O.o) (")(") |
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Patton wrote: Actually, you argued that Christmas is temporary
Erm, no. Stating an irrefutable fact isnt arguing something. Christmas is a transient event, and doesn't last forever. Quote: The description doesn't imply a short term offer, given that gifts are usually permanent.
The description does imply a short term offer, given that the deliberate introduction of the word 'Christmas' as a modifier for the word 'gift' is clearly intended to impart some extra information, and that extra information pertains to the longevity of the availability of the gift. But go on, feel free to make a case that the easter bunny is the all-year-round-bunny, and that you can collect your halloween candy all year round. But lo; a short-term offer is what it was. That which Im saying was implied, turned out to be the case. Are you seriously trying to argue that they didnt mean it wouldn't only be available temporarily, after its been proven that it was only available temporarily? Because that's amusing. Quote: Which is probably why you made a snide remark about "Christmas" and not "gift".
Probably not, no. |
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GaryG wrote: *But* I do think in this day and age, and especially with a company as large as NI that the installer should be available 'forever' to those who registered during the promotion.
The problem is that it is NI - try getting installers for products that have been paid for (such as Kore Sound Packs) - they just don't do it. Unfair - yes, but just the way NI work. whyterabbyt wrote: Christmas is a transient event, and doesn't last forever.
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GaryG wrote: I was actually agreeing with you (in my own muddled way
)First I thought you were, then I wasnt sure, and then I couldnt decide. 
Quote: No, I wouldn't expect a Christmas gift to be available forever, I think assuming a Christmas promotion will be open permanently is rather strange. *But* I do think in this day and age, and especially with a company as large as NI that the installer should be available 'forever' to those who registered during the promotion.
Im pretty sure there were others that were short-term availability. A Kore Christmas pack springs to mind. At least NI dont prevent you gettin stuff you've paid for, unlike some companies. edit : oops I forgot about stuff they've discontinued. So yeah, NI do do that too. Backup your downloads three diferent ways kids. In case they nuke the site from orbit, its the only way to be sure. Last edited by whyterabbyt on Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:41 am; edited 1 time in total |
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You guys discussing endlessly what is or is not a 'gift', whyterabbit and patton should go back to work, or do something worthwhile.
Simonden, pm sent! Last edited by zeep on Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:46 am; edited 1 time in total |
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whyterabbyt wrote: At least NI dont prevent you gettin stuff you've paid for, unlike some companies.
Unfortuntely, they do. See my previous post. ---- Say NO to developers who ignore the law! |
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simonden wrote: whyterabbyt wrote: At least NI dont prevent you gettin stuff you've paid for, unlike some companies.
Unfortuntely, they do. See my previous post. yup, edited. |
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I'm late to the game here, but I remember getting the email from NI and it was during the hectic, as usual Holidays and tbh, I totally spaced and figured I'd get to it later. I guess I'm screwed eh?
So the actual answer, which is fact and not opinion, is that a "gift" given has no expiration date. For example, if I give you a gift card for Christmas, it doesn't turn into a pumpkin at some point if you don't use it during the Christmas season. If my mom got me a gift that was too big to ship and I had to wait to get back to NJ to pick it up, she wouldn't say, "sorry, I returned it because it's no longer Christmas." If your mom would do something like this, it means she doesn't love you. So regardless of what your opinion is, the correct thing for NI to do is just put the download link in your list of owned products and be done with it. Ask yourself the question: what would it hurt if they did that? In the end, I don't miss what I never had, and I sure have a lot of cool tools, but it seems odd to me that an offer like this would just dry up and I don't remember ---- Zerocrossing Media http://www.zerocrossing.net 4th Law of Robotics: When turning evil, display a red indicator light. ~[ ●_● ]~ |
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zerocrossing wrote: I'm late to the game here, but I remember getting the email from NI and it was during the hectic, as usual Holidays and tbh, I totally spaced and figured I'd get to it later. I guess I'm screwed eh?
So the actual answer, which is fact and not opinion, is that a "gift" given has no expiration date. For example, if I give you a gift card for Christmas, it doesn't turn into a pumpkin at some point if you don't use it during the Christmas season. If my mom got me a gift that was too big to ship and I had to wait to get back to NJ to pick it up, she wouldn't say, "sorry, I returned it because it's no longer Christmas." If your mom would do something like this, it means she doesn't love you. So regardless of what your opinion is, the correct thing for NI to do is just put the download link in your list of owned products and be done with it. Ask yourself the question: what would it hurt if they did that? In the end, I don't miss what I never had, and I sure have a lot of cool tools, but it seems odd to me that an offer like this would just dry up and I don't remember please explain that to the basket of Harry and David pears i received for my birthday ...  ---- 
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whyterabbyt wrote: Patton wrote: Actually, you argued that Christmas is temporary
Erm, no. Stating an irrefutable fact isnt arguing something. Christmas is a transient event, and doesn't last forever. Quote: The description doesn't imply a short term offer, given that gifts are usually permanent.
The description does imply a short term offer, given that the deliberate introduction of the word 'Christmas' as a modifier for the word 'gift' is clearly intended to impart some extra information, and that extra information pertains to the longevity of the availability of the gift. But go on, feel free to make a case that the easter bunny is the all-year-round-bunny, and that you can collect your halloween candy all year round. But lo; a short-term offer is what it was. That which Im saying was implied, turned out to be the case. Are you seriously trying to argue that they didnt mean it wouldn't only be available temporarily, after its been proven that it was only available temporarily? Because that's amusing. Quote: Which is probably why you made a snide remark about "Christmas" and not "gift".
Probably not, no. Next time someone gives me a gift during a transient event, I'll be sure to ask them about the longevity of the gift. The fact that other NI "offers" weren't yanked shortly after the transient event suggests that something is different this time. Which is probably why reasonable people are asking a reasonable question. |
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zerocrossing wrote: I'm late to the game here, but I remember getting the email from NI and it was during the hectic, as usual Holidays and tbh, I totally spaced and figured I'd get to it later. I guess I'm screwed eh?
Not nessecarily see my previous post (other person doesn't need it)- pm zerocrossing wrote: So the actual answer, which is fact and not opinion, is that a "gift" given has no expiration date. For example, if I give you a gift card for Christmas, it doesn't turn into a pumpkin at some point if you don't use it during the Christmas season. If my mom got me a gift that was too big to ship and I had to wait to get back to NJ to pick it up, she wouldn't say, "sorry, I returned it because it's no longer Christmas."
Not sure I agree with this though. Basically NI gave a gift - they didn't take it back. Someone 'lost' the gift (after they received it) and NI are not giving them the gift a second time. ---- Say NO to developers who ignore the law! |
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Patton wrote: Next time someone gives me a gift during a transient event, I'll be sure to ask them about the longevity of the gift.
Good idea. Quote: The fact that other NI "offers" weren't yanked shortly after the transient event suggests that something is different this time. Which is probably why reasonable people are asking a reasonable question.
The fact that other offers have been yanked shortly after the transient event suggests that something is the same this time. Which is probably why reasonable people are answering the question http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4771993 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/8dio-launches-25-days-of-christ mas-promo-announces-rhythmic-aura-vol-2-synthetic-for-kontak t-and-forthcoming-groundbreaking-announcement-17783 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/sensomusic_announces_usine_chri stmas_offer_50_off_15698 http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4366496 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/soundcells_announces_christmas_ offer_25_off_15647 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/soniccouture_announces_christma s_sale_2010_bogof_and_50_off_15635 http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4769239 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/heavens_onearth_releases_husser l_mini_for_reaktor_free_christmas_special_13239 |
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whyterabbyt wrote: Patton wrote: Next time someone gives me a gift during a transient event, I'll be sure to ask them about the longevity of the gift.
Good idea. Quote: The fact that other NI "offers" weren't yanked shortly after the transient event suggests that something is different this time. Which is probably why reasonable people are asking a reasonable question.
The fact that other offers have been yanked shortly after the transient event suggests that something is the same this time. Which is probably why reasonable people are answering the question http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4771993 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/8dio-launches-25-days-of-christ mas-promo-announces-rhythmic-aura-vol-2-synthetic-for-kontak t-and-forthcoming-groundbreaking-announcement-17783 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/sensomusic_announces_usine_chri stmas_offer_50_off_15698 http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4366496 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/soundcells_announces_christmas_ offer_25_off_15647 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/soniccouture_announces_christma s_sale_2010_bogof_and_50_off_15635 http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4769239 http://www.kvraudio.com/news/heavens_onearth_releases_husser l_mini_for_reaktor_free_christmas_special_13239 For your perusal... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking |
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