Not to crap on your point but I really want to try the 1176 AE, with its 2:1 ratio mode, on the main buss.

It doesn't really ruin things at 2:1, but didn't really do anything useful for me either.

i like your black 76 and ive used it a lot but i have to say, these new uad 76's blow it out of the water. ive used the anniversary hw, the original urei silver face and the 78 extensivly and these new ua offerings come close enough for cricket.

geroyannis, mandolarian - Thank You!



In this day and age when there are so many different technologies available - not everyone HAS TO like a very specific FET design and bow to it in submission. Thank You.

And to make a further point, I HAVE heard the HW, many times. Same conclusion.

I'm not gonna do it...
Not gonna do it....

That's perfectly fine. You just don't like em. I am sorry other attack you and your music i did not wanted to make it that way i was just curious.

Good luck with your music anyway!

Don't you think? I mean, here were these 3rd party developers who released better, cheaper plug-in versions of UA Hardware products - that had to bruise a little...it took like 8 years or so to better the old UA plug-ins but still (when did black 76 hit the streets exactly?). Anyways, I think it is a smart move on their part, though I bet they are just a little frustrated - not with IK or Waves, hey, it's a free market, but rather time itself and the invariable advancement of this fickle and fleeting digital music production market.

Yes it does. The ratio voltage divider (two resistors, or four if you count the compensation) can be set to exact 2:1 ratio. I'm pretty sure UA is competent enough to do this. It's a step away from the usual far too prominent 1176 attack "slam" to a "glue" area. Much more useful than either of the standard 20:1 or 12:1 ratios. It's a common mod.

Of course it does if you use a high threshold, but it's much easier to set it so that you don't get complete squashing on a mix bus. In any case it's hardly useful for that purpose compared to single track compression.

Those compressors have extremely fast attack of 200-800 microseconds (under 1 ms even at max setting) and release of 50ms-1.1 second. Also interestingly the knobs are in reverse of the typical so the faster attack time is on the right side of the knob and slower on the left. Just pointing this out cause some people turn them wrong way around.

So it's not very versatile compressor. Would be hard to dial punch with attack times like that. You can get some pops with it with the slowest (still v. fast) attack time but that sounds terrible (at least) on vocals IMO.


Hows the Bootsy comp working for you? Got to try that, free cant be beat.

This is simply not true! Your version of the 1176 is the LEAST complex model on the market at the moment.

The compression character is spot on IMHO but it's only the compression. There is no transformer distortion modeled or other nice and nasty components in the 1176. Nor have you modeled the possibility of pressing any button combination. You only have the common All In combo which sounds different to 4 + 20 combo or 4 + 12 + 20 combo.

Please don't make up marketing crap when you don't need to. The Fairchild emu of yours is much more complex than either the LA2A or 1176. Why on earth you didn't model the tube on the LA2A is beyond me.. it's one of THE most interesting parts of the compressor, together with the compression (light + light sensitive element/filament/whatever-it's-called).

Cheers!
bManic
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Gimme a call my friend!

Cheers!
bManic

I think UA is now on top (eventually the same or better than Waves CLA emulations). But it's not really a big surprise, UA models are 10 years or so old and it was often stated that it needs mk2 versions with emulations also of the transformers and stuff. For Waves haters, eventually a good point to switch to a UAD2 (unfortunately UAD1 is no longer supported and will also not have the DSP power).
I think other first UAD generation stuff will follow like LA2A, Pultec, Fairchild maybe also the Neve EQs.

IKM emulations are unfortunately not on the same level because they only modeled the compression behavior. But this is not really new and was stated since the plug-ins are released (yes the answer from IK is always "this are modeled exactly after the hardware" but this is marketing crap and not true).
Waves CLA is better and now (I expect) UAD2 1176 is back.

Uhmm, i have to disagree. It's true that IKM didn't model the 1176 preamp circuit but you can't conclude from this that their 1176 is inferior (IN TERMS OF SOUND) to Waves and/or UAD...The electronic circuit section that does the Gain Reduction in an 1176 plays in fact a really really really big role compared to the rest of the circuit;
THD due to a FET that change quickly its Drain-Source resistance is thousand of times greater than the THD of the worst ever realized preamp in the world...the same is true for the frequency response...so the role of the preamp part is for sure thousand of times less important than the GR "element"...
In other words i think it's not so important who modeled more things, rather who modeled BETTER the most important part (the most audible and characterizing)...no? there are a lot of ways to model a circuit, some are suffice (think approximation using math functions, tanh for soft saturation for example), some are good (think accurate circuit block modeling), some are greats (think ala P-Spice, matrix circuit, differential equations solving)

Spot on mate !

Same goes for their LA-2A.

Compression = great !
Character = none !

Even their 670 would benefit of some more "deeper/complex" modeling.