Wrapping a VST3 plugin in a VST2.4 Host?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2212 posts since 28 Jul, 2003
Hi all,
Here's the dillema...
I want to purchase Steinberg Padshop which is only VST3, but my host (Brainspawn Forte), currently only supports VST 2.4
I know that there is currently no VST3 to VST 2.4 wrapper, and changing hosts just for one single VST is not an option.
So is there any other way I can do this or does anyone have any suggestions for a workaround?
Thanks,
Ben H
Here's the dillema...
I want to purchase Steinberg Padshop which is only VST3, but my host (Brainspawn Forte), currently only supports VST 2.4
I know that there is currently no VST3 to VST 2.4 wrapper, and changing hosts just for one single VST is not an option.
So is there any other way I can do this or does anyone have any suggestions for a workaround?
Thanks,
Ben H
My main tools: Kontakt, Omnisphere, Samplemodeling + Audio Modeling. Akai VIP = godsend. Tari's libraries also rock.
- Beware the Quoth
- 33175 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
The only host-which-can-be-a-plugin which I can think of which supports VST3 is FL.ben_horwood wrote:Hi all,
Here's the dillema...
I want to purchase Steinberg Padshop which is only VST3, but my host (Brainspawn Forte), currently only supports VST 2.4
I know that there is currently no VST3 to VST 2.4 wrapper, and changing hosts just for one single VST is not an option.
So is there any other way I can do this or does anyone have any suggestions for a workaround?
Thanks,
Ben H
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2212 posts since 28 Jul, 2003
Thank you for the suggestion whyterabbyt. I shall try that and see how Forte copes. Hopefully stability is not affected too much from doing this.
I'm also still open to any other suggestions that people may have too.
I'm also still open to any other suggestions that people may have too.
My main tools: Kontakt, Omnisphere, Samplemodeling + Audio Modeling. Akai VIP = godsend. Tari's libraries also rock.
- KVRAF
- 5805 posts since 8 May, 2008 from ssssskipping ......... I left you there
Here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/hermann-se ... ting-17050
And I think it could be used as a plugin in another host via some app, but I cannot access Hermann Seib's site right now, I hope you have better luck:
http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm
Edit:
It seems to be down for everyone.
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/hermann-se ... ting-17050
And I think it could be used as a plugin in another host via some app, but I cannot access Hermann Seib's site right now, I hope you have better luck:
http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm
Edit:
It seems to be down for everyone.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2212 posts since 28 Jul, 2003
Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think VSTHost or SAVIHost can be used as a VST inside another host. It would be great if they could though. :/
Unfortunately the website is still down atm, so I can't actually confirm this.
Unfortunately the website is still down atm, so I can't actually confirm this.
My main tools: Kontakt, Omnisphere, Samplemodeling + Audio Modeling. Akai VIP = godsend. Tari's libraries also rock.
- KVRAF
- 5805 posts since 8 May, 2008 from ssssskipping ......... I left you there
I don't know if the current version can be used as a vst, but some years ago it definitely could. See the caché version of Hermann's page:ben_horwood wrote:Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think VSTHost or SAVIHost can be used as a VST inside another host. It would be great if they could though. :/
Unfortunately the website is still down atm, so I can't actually confirm this.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... ve&ct=clnk
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- KVRAF
- 1940 posts since 16 Aug, 2004 from Vienna, Austria
Fuckin' webserver decided to die, as it does quite frequently... it's up again.standalone wrote:Here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/hermann-se ... ting-17050
And I think it could be used as a plugin in another host via some app, but I cannot access Hermann Seib's site right now, I hope you have better luck:
http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm
Edit:
It seems to be down for everyone.
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- KVRAF
- 1940 posts since 16 Aug, 2004 from Vienna, Austria
Correct. Or rather, only by using it as a "slaved program", but not directly.ben_horwood wrote:Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think VSTHost or SAVIHost can be used as a VST inside another host.
That would require a lot of work, especially since I can already hear the Apple fans requesting an equivalent... does anybody think that a Kickstarter project might make sense?ben_horwood wrote:It would be great if they could though. :/
- KVRAF
- 5805 posts since 8 May, 2008 from ssssskipping ......... I left you there
Mmmm ... I misunderstood the concept behind Legree, I was a newbie when I tried it. I hope it fits the OP's needs, anyway.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2212 posts since 28 Jul, 2003
arakula,
So if I ran VSTHost in slave mode, it would basically allow it to receive MIDI from my Host and basically pipe the resulting audio back into my host?
I'm having trouble trying to understand exactly what it would do. :/
So if I ran VSTHost in slave mode, it would basically allow it to receive MIDI from my Host and basically pipe the resulting audio back into my host?
I'm having trouble trying to understand exactly what it would do. :/
My main tools: Kontakt, Omnisphere, Samplemodeling + Audio Modeling. Akai VIP = godsend. Tari's libraries also rock.
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- KVRAF
- 1940 posts since 16 Aug, 2004 from Vienna, Austria
Exactly. It can send and receive audio and MIDI to/from the main host through a little PlugIn, but stays a separate program.ben_horwood wrote:arakula,
So if I ran VSTHost in slave mode, it would basically allow it to receive MIDI from my Host and basically pipe the resulting audio back into my host?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2212 posts since 28 Jul, 2003
Ok that seems like a roundabout way to do it, but it just might work.
I'll give it a try and see how I get on.
EDIT: I'm confused already
I think Legree is a wrapper for VSTHost?
So the signal chain would look like this:
Brainspawn Forte sends MIDI to Legree VSTi
Legree VSTi echos the MIDI to VSTHost /slave
VSTHost /slave is hosting my VST3
VST3 outputs audio to VSTHost /slave
VSTHost /slave echos audio to Legree VSTi
Legree VSTi echos audio to Forte
Is that correct?
I'll give it a try and see how I get on.
EDIT: I'm confused already
I think Legree is a wrapper for VSTHost?
So the signal chain would look like this:
Brainspawn Forte sends MIDI to Legree VSTi
Legree VSTi echos the MIDI to VSTHost /slave
VSTHost /slave is hosting my VST3
VST3 outputs audio to VSTHost /slave
VSTHost /slave echos audio to Legree VSTi
Legree VSTi echos audio to Forte
Is that correct?
My main tools: Kontakt, Omnisphere, Samplemodeling + Audio Modeling. Akai VIP = godsend. Tari's libraries also rock.
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- KVRAF
- 2250 posts since 29 Nov, 2004
Wrong! You'll find a vst3shell.dll and vsti3shell.dll in there:ben_horwood wrote:I know that there is currently no VST3 to VST 2.4 wrapper
http://www.xlutop.com/buzz/zip/beta/pvst_v1.1.10b22.zip
And you might want to get shell2vst archive as well to make individual wrappers by dragging the above dlls onto the shell2vst executable:
http://www.xlutop.com/buzz/zip/shell2vst.zip
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- KVRAF
- 1940 posts since 16 Aug, 2004 from Vienna, Austria
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2212 posts since 28 Jul, 2003
Tried that... and Forte gave me a "VST module ignored because it does not have a built-in editor" error.arakula wrote:Yes.ben_horwood wrote:Is that correct?
Apparently some hosts provide this... Forte doesn't.
Next step... gonna try the xlutop tools. :-/
My main tools: Kontakt, Omnisphere, Samplemodeling + Audio Modeling. Akai VIP = godsend. Tari's libraries also rock.