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Wrapping a VST3 plugin in a VST2.4 Host?

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Ben H
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1576 posts since 28 Jul, 2003

Postby Ben H; Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:23 am Wrapping a VST3 plugin in a VST2.4 Host?

Hi all,

Here's the dillema...

I want to purchase Steinberg Padshop which is only VST3, but my host (Brainspawn Forte), currently only supports VST 2.4

I know that there is currently no VST3 to VST 2.4 wrapper, and changing hosts just for one single VST is not an option.

So is there any other way I can do this or does anyone have any suggestions for a workaround?

Thanks,

Ben H
My main tools: Alchemy, Iris, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Padshop Pro, and SWAM.
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whyterabbyt
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21475 posts since 3 Sep, 2001, from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair

Postby whyterabbyt; Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:33 am

ben_horwood wrote:Hi all,

Here's the dillema...

I want to purchase Steinberg Padshop which is only VST3, but my host (Brainspawn Forte), currently only supports VST 2.4

I know that there is currently no VST3 to VST 2.4 wrapper, and changing hosts just for one single VST is not an option.

So is there any other way I can do this or does anyone have any suggestions for a workaround?

Thanks,

Ben H


The only host-which-can-be-a-plugin which I can think of which supports VST3 is FL.
Ben H
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1576 posts since 28 Jul, 2003

Postby Ben H; Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:39 am

Thank you for the suggestion whyterabbyt. I shall try that and see how Forte copes. Hopefully stability is not affected too much from doing this.

I'm also still open to any other suggestions that people may have too. ;)
My main tools: Alchemy, Iris, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Padshop Pro, and SWAM.
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standalone
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5600 posts since 8 May, 2008, from ssssskipping ......... I left you there

Postby standalone; Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:03 am

Here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/news/hermann-se ... ting-17050

And I think it could be used as a plugin in another host via some app, but I cannot access Hermann Seib's site right now, I hope you have better luck:

http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm

Edit:

It seems to be down for everyone.
Ben H
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1576 posts since 28 Jul, 2003

Postby Ben H; Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:06 pm

Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think VSTHost or SAVIHost can be used as a VST inside another host. It would be great if they could though. :/

Unfortunately the website is still down atm, so I can't actually confirm this.
My main tools: Alchemy, Iris, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Padshop Pro, and SWAM.
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standalone
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5600 posts since 8 May, 2008, from ssssskipping ......... I left you there

Postby standalone; Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:31 am

ben_horwood wrote:Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think VSTHost or SAVIHost can be used as a VST inside another host. It would be great if they could though. :/

Unfortunately the website is still down atm, so I can't actually confirm this.


I don't know if the current version can be used as a vst, but some years ago it definitely could. See the caché version of Hermann's page:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... ve&ct=clnk
arakula
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1942 posts since 16 Aug, 2004, from Vienna, Austria

Postby arakula; Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:56 am

standalone wrote:Here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/news/hermann-se ... ting-17050

And I think it could be used as a plugin in another host via some app, but I cannot access Hermann Seib's site right now, I hope you have better luck:

http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm

Edit:

It seems to be down for everyone.

Fuckin' webserver decided to die, as it does quite frequently... it's up again.
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arakula
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1942 posts since 16 Aug, 2004, from Vienna, Austria

Postby arakula; Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:05 am

ben_horwood wrote:Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think VSTHost or SAVIHost can be used as a VST inside another host.

Correct. Or rather, only by using it as a "slaved program", but not directly.
ben_horwood wrote:It would be great if they could though. :/

That would require a lot of work, especially since I can already hear the Apple fans requesting an equivalent... does anybody think that a Kickstarter project might make sense?
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standalone
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Postby standalone; Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:15 am

Mmmm ... I misunderstood the concept behind Legree, I was a newbie when I tried it. I hope it fits the OP's needs, anyway.
Ben H
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Postby Ben H; Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:43 am

arakula,

So if I ran VSTHost in slave mode, it would basically allow it to receive MIDI from my Host and basically pipe the resulting audio back into my host?

I'm having trouble trying to understand exactly what it would do. :/
My main tools: Alchemy, Iris, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Padshop Pro, and SWAM.
arakula
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1942 posts since 16 Aug, 2004, from Vienna, Austria

Postby arakula; Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:15 am

ben_horwood wrote:arakula,

So if I ran VSTHost in slave mode, it would basically allow it to receive MIDI from my Host and basically pipe the resulting audio back into my host?

Exactly. It can send and receive audio and MIDI to/from the main host through a little PlugIn, but stays a separate program.
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Ben H
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1576 posts since 28 Jul, 2003

Postby Ben H; Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:04 am

Ok that seems like a roundabout way to do it, but it just might work. :)

I'll give it a try and see how I get on.

EDIT: I'm confused already :oops:

I think Legree is a wrapper for VSTHost?

So the signal chain would look like this:
Brainspawn Forte sends MIDI to Legree VSTi
Legree VSTi echos the MIDI to VSTHost /slave
VSTHost /slave is hosting my VST3

VST3 outputs audio to VSTHost /slave
VSTHost /slave echos audio to Legree VSTi
Legree VSTi echos audio to Forte

Is that correct?
My main tools: Alchemy, Iris, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Padshop Pro, and SWAM.
eidenk
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2193 posts since 29 Nov, 2004

Postby eidenk; Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:32 am

ben_horwood wrote:I know that there is currently no VST3 to VST 2.4 wrapper

Wrong! You'll find a vst3shell.dll and vsti3shell.dll in there:

http://www.xlutop.com/buzz/zip/beta/pvst_v1.1.10b22.zip

And you might want to get shell2vst archive as well to make individual wrappers by dragging the above dlls onto the shell2vst executable:

http://www.xlutop.com/buzz/zip/shell2vst.zip

;)
arakula
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1942 posts since 16 Aug, 2004, from Vienna, Austria

Postby arakula; Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:34 pm

ben_horwood wrote:Is that correct?
Yes.
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Ben H
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1576 posts since 28 Jul, 2003

Postby Ben H; Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:43 pm

arakula wrote:
ben_horwood wrote:Is that correct?
Yes.


Tried that... and Forte gave me a "VST module ignored because it does not have a built-in editor" error.

Apparently some hosts provide this... Forte doesn't. :(

Next step... gonna try the xlutop tools. :-/
My main tools: Alchemy, Iris, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Padshop Pro, and SWAM.
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