well you can't really do inverse verbs in Vroom unless i am missing something....

so the IK might be worth it just for that...

i got breverb for that one reason, even though there are workarounds with other verbs, the inverse module is sensational

I think csr's one is good too from memory.. but it's been years since i used it...

VERY few verbs can do a convincing inverse

I hear ya Ginz. But many music software companies are run by musicians, ex-musicians and wannabe musicians and that's not generally a great recipe for long term planning or great communication! Okay, keyboard players excepted!!!

Product announcements like the one you mention hurt sales of the current versions almost immediately, and no company wants that. "I'll just pick it up when they release it." Steady sales let companies run better. The reps here take lots of heat for decisions made much further up the food chain, and I'm sure they get "mums the word" on many things they do find out.

I remember buying my first Pro Tools rig for 11k, and two months later, a three times more powerful version is released, with completely different hardware, same price! But I could upgrade for 4k more... Was I pissed? Yes. Did the guys who sold me the system know? Probably.

But as the Digi rep I grumbled to told me, "You're still making money with it, right? And the system does what you bought if for, so you haven't really lost anything. I wish it was like a car with predictable release dates, but that's just not how it works."

"Words of wisdom, Lloyd. Words of wisdom..."

I'm still getting great use out of Sampletank, CSR and Pro Tools while we wait, so I try to see it that way now.

And it seems that so far, IK is giving away their 64 bit updates free, so they're supporting users with r&d for a product long ago paid for. Pretty nice if you ask me, even if a bit behind the bleeding edge!

KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt

I'd jump on the CSR sale and would have got Sampletank as well but for IK's total lack of clear time scale for 64bit and AAX format. But hey there'll be another unrepeatable group buy soon, I'm sure.

It IS about that time of year... The everything turns green and I spend all mine!

And ttoz, you won't regret it. it's great to have various reverbs on hand, and these are NICE. You never know which one might sound best on a zither! And the price is half what I paid for just the Hall alone, and worth its msrp easy.

Also, don't forget if you buy thru eSoundz.com, you get epointz AND IK jampoints too, and the more you buy there, discounts increase at higher membership levels. With the kindness of folks here, I've gotten great libraries for $5, so please refer someone at checkout, it really brightens up your day to give and get them.

And they often sweeten any deal IK offers, (like the doubling the Xpansion Tanks in the current GB) so always check before you buy. It's win/win!

KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt

Oh sorry if i gave the wrong idea, even though i am currently trying to sell duende x verb in marketplace, i think i am going to keep it, and one must remember that that is an evolution of csr (same coder, warp 69) that has been refined to perfection.

As far as inverse verbs go, the breverb module is insane, although everything else about breverb is not so great even with the new modules in number 2.

So i am good, and with lexicon LXP bundle, my halls and plates are truly covered:)

But for fun i might check out the demo if there is one, i haven't used it for years.

I'd rather put the $49 to xils lab synthix which is what i am saving for now though

Classic Studio Reverb from IKMM is my goto reverb. I have CSR, Valhallaroom, Eos and Adverb. Of the four, CSR is in a class all it's own. Superior sonics, gorgeous presets, extensive parameter automation, super slick UI with easy/advanced operational modes, sips CPU cycles... CSR is currently the better deal at only $49.00!!

I just bought the bundle and my first verdict is: well worth the price. It's exactly what a darker song needs that I haven't been working on for a while now. Might finally be able to finish it.

Will it cover all my needs? Well, we'll see once I get around to recording my first acoustic-only song. The CSR are meant to be colorful instead of extremely natural. On the other hand, how many recordings do you have and love which only apply natural reverb?

I also have the UHBIK, EAReverb,Toraverb, as well as convolution ones, so that should pretty much cover most situations I could encounter.

Regarding 64 Bit: yes, please, as soon as possible if you wouldn't mind. But then again, from what hints I have read and taking into account user requests in forums and the existing Custom Shop, I think IK is going to roll out a Studio FX Custom Shop sometime around the release of the new website with:

- 64 Bit CSR
- new Studio effects titles
- a way for users to transfer their licenses to other customers, making selling your existing lcenses painless for both customers and IK (well, the jury is still out on whether they understand that as an opportunity to compete with WAVE's new copy protection / licensing)

In any case, I'm sure they build a new framework for that and won't have 64 Bit CSR before implementing it for the Custom Shop.

And in contrast to the Amplitube Custom Shop which doesn't make any sense to me, being able to one-click restore my studio effects and spend my Jampoints on some crazy EQ, reverb, compressor, saturator, whatever, would definitely catch my attention.

Oh, and they could just go full-scale crazy and include Sampletank, too. Maybe just one huge IK Custom Shop for everything..

While you're waiting for x64 CSR, you might want to give the reverb in DiversionCM a whirl. It's free (magware), 64 bit, very clean and extremely tweakable. And, on top of that, can be multi'd up with other very good included FX (delay, phase, chorus, gate). Get this.

Re: 32 bit DAWs. I read this morning that Windows announced the death of XP with a free download upgrade to Win7 and Outlook 10. So 32 bit really will be a dinosaur sooner rather than later. Quality plug devs MUST update their catalogs.

Cheers
-B

Bargain! Except it's not quite true. It's a Fox News Fail. There's a deployment toolkit corporate IT staff can download to (supposedly) make it easier to remote install Win7 on machines in a network, but they're not giving away Win7 or Outlook. You still have to go and buy the licence. Microsoft would prefer you to go and buy licences sooner rather than later as a) they get more money and b) it's less support hassle long term.

CSR is a nice compliment to ValhallaRoom. I own both and feel this may be the most reverb one can own for about $100 ($50 each!) Just stunning value here.

CSR runs fine with jbridge on Studio One V2 64 bit/Win7 64.

Hey--jjcmmjj---can I infer from your post that you are actually running CSR on 64 bit Studio One 2 with jbridge, and it's running perfectly?

Yes--I am using Studio One V2 64 bit with jbridge with CSR and all is well, but I don't want to make it seem like I've spent a ton of time testing this so far. Picked this up on sale last week, and I've used it on a medium sized (30ish track) project on both inserts and sends. So far, so good, except that my feeling is that CPU usage isn't quite as light on this plug as others are saying (may have to do with the bridging, or the fact that S1 isn't as efficient as some other daws.) Stability has been great.

I appreciate the update, Gamma. I KNEW there was some kind of catch. I'm at the office and can't follow up too deeply on the net. And yes, you are correct that I got it off the FOX site.

Cheers
-B

It looks as though it's a syndicated story as the same piece appears on MSNBC and a few other places. Whoever wrote it must have gone to the official XP "that's all folks" site, saw the link that mentioned Win7 and Office 2010 together with a big Download box, put 2 and 2 together and got 5.