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Now that AKAI went native basically, how long before the keyboard makers do?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:15 am reply with quote
T-CM11 wrote:
The end does not always justify the means.


Which would be a good lesson for those who steal the work of others under the guise of doing battle against the RIAA and MPAA.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:19 am reply with quote
JJBiener wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:
The end does not always justify the means.


Which would be a good lesson for those who steal the work of others under the guise of doing battle against the RIAA and MPAA.

Only terrorists like you would say that! HiHi

I'm just someone who buys my software legally and dislikes copyright organisations.

But enough of this, I'm going to watch a DVD. (And first watch 5 minutes of messages accusing me of being a criminal, of course)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:38 am reply with quote
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Yes, Just like we need more (body/shoe/metal) scanners in airports to protect us from terrorists and more prisons to resolve the high crime rates..


Well, actually, we haven't had a major terrorist attack on American soil in nearly 11 years, and violent crime has dropped dramatically across the US. I will let you draw your own conclusions.

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The issue is significantly moral/interpersonal which is largely resolved by education.. at home.. not with extreme legislation of freedoms and forceful deterrence. Yes, I doubt this will happen.. but the other way doesn't work either (legislation+prisons).


You are right that education is a large part of the solution which is why I participate in these discussions on a fairly regular basis. Education alone only goes so far. There has to be a legal framework in place to actually enforce property rights or far to many people will continue to ingore them. As for extreme legislation, I have read SOPA, PIPA and ACTA and they aren't even close to extreme. If anything they are too mild and watered down, but they are a start. I know you believe they are extreme because you keep hearing they are extreme over and over, but that is the value of effective propaganda. It can get you to believe, even passionately, in something that does not exist. Unlike others who expect you to take their word, I encourage you to actually read the documents in question and make up your own mind. What could be more fair than that?

Now I am off to play with my new copy of RP Blade.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:59 am reply with quote
Personally I'd buy into the UAD system if the roland,access,yamaha,kurzweil synth makers would consider it.I had the powercore a few years back n loved it,but softsynth makers like u-he,tone2,spectrasonics as well as countless others came along and quickly I saw that plugins we're definitely better for me VS owning 10 synths,space is a factor.

Though as for rompler solutions, I still think the big three , korg,yamaha and roland have an edge vs anything I've heard for romplers,with the exception of my favorite one in hs2.

Anyways I don't see any issue with the companies wanting to use hardware options like uad, thats a tried and true option,and to my knowledge it hasn't been cracked. So there's plenty of money to be made for the guys like me who probably won't buy anymore synths unless it fits in a cpu, or desktop options,again space is a factor.

I think it's time for them to have alternative options.It's not all about the money to me,but rather space,and convenience I hope some of the classic synths start going to the UAD platform for sure. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:14 pm reply with quote
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I think it's time for them to have alternative options.


Why not a synth that connects to a vst host through a gigabit lan?
Lan is the quickest and most common connection format around with plenty of connection options and bandwidth(roughly 300 32bit stereo streams).
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:25 pm reply with quote
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Of course it would be nice to get Roland, Korg or Kurzweil sounds in the studio in a more compact package.


Korg TR-Rack (because it sounds amazing)
Roland V-Synth XT (because it does some spectacular things)
Roland JD-990 (because things like these will never be done in software as good)
Kurzweil K2600R (same reason)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:17 pm reply with quote
JJBiener wrote:
VitaminD wrote:
Yes, Just like we need more (body/shoe/metal) scanners in airports to protect us from terrorists and more prisons to resolve the high crime rates..


Well, actually, we haven't had a major terrorist attack on American soil in nearly 11 years, and violent crime has dropped dramatically across the US. I will let you draw your own conclusions.


That sort of glosses over it.. sure the current rate is down overall.. it is not dramatic though.. and mostly due to building more prisons. Do I make your point? well no... because this country can't continue to build prisons to mitigate crime. Prisons aren't a infinite resource. Just like we can't keep printing money and handing out loans to keep the economy afloat.. eventually the bubble bursts.. and when it pops.. BAD. THINGS. HAPPEN.

It has to get at the source of the trouble.. and that is through education and outreach.. mostly for those at a young age. It is a long term solution.. it takes decades. But people (esp in govt) think short term. IT is a shame. If people grow up thinking it is ok to rape, rob, and kill they will do just that -- If people don't value their own life, do you really think they will value ours?

9/11 is a stickier subject.. but I'll say TSA misses guns and weapons.. they aren't a crack team of terrorism prevention. The Israelis apparently have a proven setup and offered their help in setting up similar security years ago, but the US govt did not accept. D'oh! I think Al Qaeda completed their desired mission on that day.. make the USA take them seriously and cause chaos financially. How much in people and money has the US govt spent in mitigating terrorism? Hundreds of Thousands of lives and Trillions of dollars.
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The issue is significantly moral/interpersonal which is largely resolved by education.. at home.. not with extreme legislation of freedoms and forceful deterrence. Yes, I doubt this will happen.. but the other way doesn't work either (legislation+prisons).


You are right that education is a large part of the solution which is why I participate in these discussions on a fairly regular basis. Education alone only goes so far. There has to be a legal framework in place to actually enforce property rights or far to many people will continue to ingore them. As for extreme legislation, I have read SOPA, PIPA and ACTA and they aren't even close to extreme. If anything they are too mild and watered down, but they are a start. I know you believe they are extreme because you keep hearing they are extreme over and over, but that is the value of effective propaganda. It can get you to believe, even passionately, in something that does not exist. Unlike others who expect you to take their word, I encourage you to actually read the documents in question and make up your own mind. What could be more fair than that?

Now I am off to play with my new copy of RP Blade.


Yes we need frameworks.. but the ones you mentioned were far too reaching.. which is why pharmaceuticals like Pfizer were on board.. . But with this convo we are already nearing the forum to which I don't venture.. so I will simply say, Enjoy your RP Blade! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:15 am reply with quote
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Software plugins aren't that. There's a huge difference. Hardware manufacturers will try to bring their hardware quality closer to software plugins while keeping it an embedded system. The kronos is a very good example of this trend.


Being sarcastic here? Or didn't you know Kronos is basicly a Linux PC running on an Atom processor..


Sorry, I forgot about that.

So perhaps the following is true:
1). They've developed an RTOS on top of linux and running their software on that.
2). Time will tell if Kronos is actually very stable or if the performance is variable depending on the processing power (it shouldn't on an embedded system). i.e. there should be no difference (i.e. no additional latency, or stuck notes, or whatever) between sequencing 1 track or 16 tracks playing all at the same time.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:49 am reply with quote
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There is an important distinction between modern hardware and software.

Modern hardware instruments (synths, samplers, etc) are embedded systems. Their latency is real-time and guaranteed. They don't have to deal with strange drivers, a thread hogging the CPU, kernel crashing, or any other such events. Anything you do will have an instant response (apart from disk access) and stuff crashing is nearly impossible.


There is numerous hardware devices with stability issues or other errors, and the response is only instant when using analog synths via CV or playing their keyboards directly. In fact it is native processing that has zero latency, especially synthesizer plugins (up to the output driver).

Thus your digital productions are aligned perfectly by default, whereas when using recorded hardware synth tracks, you'll end up shifting or editing them for a while until you get the desired result.

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