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Chords, melodies, scales?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:12 am reply with quote
I got a couple question about all those up there..

1- Say i Choose Dm chord for my song, does the bassline has to be that same chord? also the pads? melody?

2- What exactly are scales, in your words? Why do some people say Dm chord in the A scale? DAFUQ?

3- Have you guys seen the midi files of an EDM song? Let's take for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTEPAnOhM2s

Check out those chords, wtf is that? does that follow any structure? or he's just jamming on a certain chord/scale?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:29 am reply with quote
I think I know just the site for you.

http://warbeats.com/Tutorials/Music-Theory

This site may be geared more towards hip hop producers, I don't know if that's your thing, but nonetheless I think these theory lessons are excellent for just about any style (it's just music theory so why not). At least this is where I started out (not too long ago!). NFXbeats has a really nice and straightforward way of explaining basic music theory. Everything from chords to constructing a melody and so forth, you'll find it there.

edit: For clarification I meant "NFX's Theory Tutorials" down the link, not "Music Theory Guy's", which are a lot more complicated (not bothered with them myself)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:33 am reply with quote
Check this out:

www.musictheory.net
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:34 am reply with quote
http://www.musictheory.net/lessons
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:03 pm reply with quote
Can anyone with musical knowledge take a look at the video i psted and tell me if the chords are following any type of musical rules?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:06 pm reply with quote
JulianVeloso wrote:
Can anyone with musical knowledge take a look at the video i psted and tell me if the chords are following any type of musical rules?

Yes, of course they do.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:13 pm reply with quote
Could you tell me what is that?

i don't know of a chord that makes you separate your fingers so much..
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:31 pm reply with quote
JulianVeloso wrote:
Could you tell me what is that?

i don't know of a chord that makes you separate your fingers so much..

You need to read up on some basic music theory, and realize why it's really hard to make music without 'following any music rules'

Just because it's not meant to be played live on an instrument doesn't mean it throws rules out the window, you can have a chord that plays the G Major chord hitting the notes G B D, and you can add another G an octave below, you can add one above, you can make it a seventh chord and add an F note, you can split the entire chord into different octaves. There's a lot of things you can do and still have it theoretically correct.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:49 pm reply with quote
That reply answers A LOT of questions i forgot to post up there, so you're saying i can play G major chord with a G one octave below the original G + the original G and B and D? or the original G would have to be removed?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:00 pm reply with quote
JulianVeloso wrote:
That reply answers A LOT of questions i forgot to post up there, so you're saying i can play G major chord with a G one octave below the original G + the original G and B and D? or the original G would have to be removed?

You're thinking too theoretical without thinking of actual practical use. Just play the chord on the piano, then add the G an octave below. What happens? The chord sounds fuller in the bottom end because there's an extra note there. Could you take away the original? I don't know try it out. You might lose the original tone the chord had up in the higher register, or it might still be maintained even though the root note is an octave below.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:09 pm reply with quote
Thanks a lot for your help!

Another thing to clear my doubts, no one really answered the question.

If i chose Gmajor as my chord to start my track from there, would the bassline, pad, lead synth have to be on the same chord?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:11 pm reply with quote
JulianVeloso wrote:
Thanks a lot for your help!

Another thing to clear my doubts, no one really answered the question.

If i chose Gmajor as my chord to start my track from there, would the bassline, pad, lead synth have to be on the same chord?

It doesn't have to be. It could. The bassline could be outlining a D Major chord, as that's a 5th above the G, which is a harmonious interval. You can experiment without knowing a lot of music theory, but you'll find it easier and you'll shoot a lot less in the dark if you know the fundamentals.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:27 pm reply with quote
Yeah, that's what i'm aiming for, i think i'm going to take paino lessons to move faster on my productions. Thanks a ton for the time you've taken here with this little noob. and if you don't mind me asking..

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=347392 , could you take a look at this thread please?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:53 pm reply with quote
What a three ring circus,

The bass always supports the chord movement in contenporary (last 100 years) popular music. Generally you always want to start on the root. During a given measure you have opporitunitys to play more then one note.

Your options are, but not totally inclusive.
Play the root of the chord only.
Alternate between the root and the 5th either up or down.
Root 5th and octave.
Root 3rd and 5th (though this is really boring and you have to be really good not to make it sound lame) You'll also want to be careful with that 3rd if you try and play the 3rd and the root at the same time in the root it will sound muddy.
Chords cme in a variety of flavors learn more chords. You also have dominants 6th chords major7's and diminished. Though it's unlikely you'll make any traction with diminished chords because you are a scared little bunny.

Even if the chord does not have a 6th or a 7th expressed you can express one in the bassline. The thing is then all your chords basslines need to follow that pattern. EG play a 1-3-5-6 type pattern for the first chord in a progression you are expected to carry the same waling bassline thru out.
RH if you are playing over a C chord and playing the bass pattern C-E-G-A then when you move to the F chord you play F-A-C-D

Not rocket science
The only exception is if you are playing a major7 chord you can alternate choosing 6th or major7 and then when you go to the dominant chord you still should play that as a dominant bassline.

There are also a wide assorment of methods for "walking basslines" working on the chord tones, the scale tones, neighboring and passing tones leading tones, anticipation. A wide assortment of possiblities.

Do yourself a favor, Stop treating yourself like a idiot. Take lessons. Because you may be able to read all my words think you know what they mean but they mean nothing if you can't physically (not by programming) apply them.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:20 pm reply with quote
Thanks a lot for the reply, yes i will start taking lessons, i'm watching tons of tutorials right now and i'm looking forward on taking some piano lessons to simply understand everything and see music from a different point of view. Your reply was really aggressive though. Like a skrillex bassline haha.
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