People who don't carve their own violin from scratch are total frauds.

i say people who don't make their own tools to do the carving are frauds. Also you shuld grow the damn tree to get the wood. Don't go getting some tree someone else grew!

I agree. Any schmuck can use some tree that everyone else uses for everything. If you don't create brand new tree DNA to make your tools with, so you can carve a violin and play original music, preferably in a new molecular space that has never existed before, I don't want to hear your cookie cutter crap.

amen. NO listener cares whether it's a hardware synth, or a plugin; whether u used a drummer, or a drum machine.
the music moves you or...it doesn't.

this thread is making me laugh today (altho it could also be the meds...)

Okay... this thread has gone off-track from the original question, I only wanted to know individual opinions but it's going like this. :/ But anyways, I'll be getting Nexus 2 as I am pleased with what it has to offer from recently looking at the samples on their website, but like other people said - I will probably used it for layering purposes and creating my sounds with Harmor, 3Osc etc.

just on topic for a second...
nexus2 is amazing for what it is. and the bottom line is, as always, what you do with it. bad ideas can't be saved by good sounds (or vice versa...or something).
get it, enjoy it's awesomeness, and make some awesome MUSIC with it...

It was a difficult decision for me to buy Nexus since it uses a dongle which I loathe. I even had buyers remorse while it was in the shipping process and I considered cancelling the order.

But when it arrived, I was completely thrilled with it. I now have no regrets whatsoever. The demos, while good, still don't do the actual sound justice imo.

Admiteddly, I'm a preset user, but I usually wind up tweaking quite a bit, and you can still do some tweaking in Nexus as well, at least you can modify the relative volume of the layers and of course change the ADSR, adjust the effects etc. It's just not for sound sculpting from the ground up.

I would advise you to listen carefully to the factory demo and also the various expansion sets.

Cheers

Just to go off topic again, I think it is hilarious that some people who mock preset users make and sell presets That is pretty sad.

Presets are a good starting point for tweaking. With romplers you're pretty limited. Some limitations are good for creativity, though.

BTW...that tree DNA better be from some totally new substrates as well...none of that useless tree DNA that exist now...

I think it really depends on the rompler. Omnisphere/Trilian for example could be called Romplers but the synth/arp/performance parts of them allow incredible cultivation of the sampled sounds. I haven't tried Nexus 2 and IMO it is just too expensive, I think that is the basic problem with it. I have Wusikstation and absolutely love it, but that admittedly has a lot to do with the $50 price tag If Nexus were less expensive I'm sure it would have more fans.

Ah yes the ole question of Nexus vs a real synth. To me it's expressed best this way:

Paint by numbers:


vs




Then again.. if you like the kinds of pictures you're getting with paint by numbers, then that's your thing. After all there are people who just need something to decorate their living room, as much as there are people who just need something to dance to on a dancefloor. Nothing wrong with that.

There will always be be people who invent new stuff. If enough people like this new thing, other people will want to make similar stuff.. so if you're smart, you're the one who provides 'the new flavour' in a ready to use package. And that's what Nexus does.

I don't think that's fair at all, a great pianist doesn't make a piano but they sure as hell can paint an incredible picture with music. There are plenty of people twiddling knobs that don't even know what a 'chord' is

There is much more to music than sound design.

There's much more to sound design than music?