Most of us here work (entirely) in the digital domain. With new faster computers, we get new algorithms that seemed impossible years ago. And for some reason there seems to be resistance to move along to understand it. Maybe it comes across more like marketing instead of technology?

Its not a marketing thread, and we carefully checked and wrote together each word of both test pages, with Xavier, knowing that we would be attacked by the thought police, whose main task is accusing people to lie, to be utterly repugnant, etc. So your accusation of pseudo scientific testing will go straight to Xavier's heart. We're waiting for more.

Btw you dont know who I am : I developped some UI concepts, some GUI modules, some audio concept modules, as well as many other things with Xils-Lab, and also manages the sound design department. You can read the manuals if you're interested into that. I talk on Kvr mainly because my english might be just a bit better than Xavier's one.

Btw people are not stupid, and the honnest reader will know in a flash who show their cool face in this threadn and who is trolling, for obvious reasons.

Whatever the trolling in this thread, people who want it have now access to some information about 0df filters, you can say its useless, and that people dont care ( I know you like to speak as if you were all the people in one person ) but my opinion is that people are smart enough to make their own decisions : We propose, and they take it or leave it ( its a bit like democraty, if you know what I mean )

PS ; And keep your vacuum cleaner preciously, maybe in 20 years you'll sell it at the better price than an Xpander

LtZ

And then I will not answer to trolls; especially people asking the same question that were already answered two posts before ( like "funny how you/xils never mentioned this until another company released a synth with zdf..... ") I have evidences of all that, but its useless.

So dear reader, feel welcomed if you find this thread interesting, and want to discuss it sincerely, OR feel welcomed if you are not interested in this thread, its only for information, and/or feel even welcomed if you intend to troll and trash this thread like you did with so many other ones. ( but I cant answer to you in this case..... )

LtZ

Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to remember that the next time you claim not to be closely affiliated with Xils (and, thus, your opinions and posts are purely personal ones, bat eyelids innocently nudge nudge shrug). Remember that, or do I have to do a search and post it here?

I have to admit that I'm sad about aggravating Xavier's heart by praising his work unto the high heavens. Maybe the shock of it all will make him drop the dongle.

Some really really weird individuals with weird intentions here. I don't get it. OP clearly stated what this thread is about. I am bad at english but even i could get it.

I for once i am interested to know about this stuff a little bit more. I found this interesting. What is wrong with that?

Half year ago we had aliasing hunters yet noone accused anyone for "unsubtle trolling" or trying to make marketing or whatever.

Like i said before it is cruel point of time for plugin developers(well it is only on KVR actually). Just with the moment some dev post something there are dozen of ego trippers trying to fire up some kind of conspiracy...It makes you wonder about some people..

For the second time in my life i am reaching for "mute" option..

Thanks Echoes,

Yes there will be some dongleless synths. Atm there are already some, the Xils3 LE is a full modular synth for .... 39$ .....

But there will be more.

Indeed.

Simple Thank You Kmonkey,

I'm glad you could find some usefull info.

I have to concur. Though I wouldn't say the individuals are weird, but there is a lot of strange undercurrent.

There are a few things we need to look at with KVR. I often ask myself what I think I will find here. In reality KVR has been a nice place to read about what I have interests in and it has even sparked new interests for me. Speaking with other enthusiasts and professionals has been a benefit.

On the other hand there are the developers and those who have something to sell. For a while I considered not posting information about my own future releases as I feel the KVR has been overwhelmed with advertising lately.

After thinking about it some more I have noticed there either is not as much going on here as there used to be or I have lost some of the interests I had previously. Either way, advertising has benefited me also to some degree as I would not have heard about many of the synths, or known much about them, if it were not for the discussions here. So that side of it is useful also.

All that said, it takes away from the usefulness when threads are diverted so much. If I do not care about a topic, I either don't view it or I don't post. That keeps the "noise" pollution down so people can get on with the information.

If you disagree with the facts, that's another thing altogether and it fits, but I think "following" people around and taking jabs at them on every other corner really does nothing for anything.

I am not seeking to belittle anyone, but just think about it logically.

+1

rsp

ETA?

It's too simple to say just emulating analog gear is superior, but two related statements I think are valid. First, the better s-plane filter simulation with all other things being equal sounds better; second, there are characteristics of analog technology that sound good. Ultimately there are quantitative differences between the output of one filter technology versus another that I think eventually correlate to these pretty uncontroversial statements.

I'm much less certain how much these two overlap - what is it about emulating better is also sounding better. Somewhere in the overlap I think is really promising stuff, I think we'll find out over time and there should be *lots* of great sounding stuff along the way from many developers.

problem with zero-delay filters is they don't solve the aliasing issue. it still requires massive over-sampling of about 8x-16x to get anywhere near where you want to be. by that time the filter is so expensive you might have considered using an analog one instead.

that said, technology advancements are good. the fact we have some insignificant advancement isn't insignificant itself - it could lead to significant advancements in the future.

crappy waveform wave-tables lead to the concept of minblep tables and minblamp tables which have replaced all previous technologies. the only reason older technologies exist is the difficulty of properly implementing the new ones. so blit integrators still exist in major commercial products for example even though the technology is completely obsolete.

http://www.togo.dejavuandcompany.com/Trippix/11%20Paris/16%2 0wooden%20plow.jpg

http://www.tomsihantiquetractors.com/4%20bottom%20plow.jpg

when you go from one basic technology to a more advanced and refined one, you drop most of the unskilled producers. audio software was once produced easily by amatures. in a few years that will no longer be possible and only very few skilled in the art will remain.

http://www.dmiblog.com/archives/Shovel%20ready.jpg

http://www.foxheavyequipmentoperator.com/images/excavator1.j pg

Good synths can still be produced by amateurs from high quality modules. With minBLEP osc's and decent filter modules for SE or SM, I don't see the problem.

The problem is not the content of the message, it is the intention. This is a "thing" that has been festering over several threads for months now, and if you haven't caught up with that then I appreciate you not knowing what "it" is all about. I won't rehash it now, the individual in question knows what "it's" about, and methinks he doth protest too much. But if you like to be fooled by that, then go ahead.

Once again, I'm not debating the content. Now let's hear some audio examples of your tests.