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Any other recommendations for warm phat VA synth free or commercial

VST, AU, etc. plug-in Virtual Instruments discussion

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mcnoone
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5356 posts since 8 Oct, 2007, from an inharmonious society

Postby mcnoone; Tue May 15, 2012 2:44 am

Lotuzia wrote:In my experience it's false. Good synths have a sonic character and unique signature, and no FX will ever make an ARP Odyssey sounds like a DX7, a Korg M1 or a Fairlight sample.

I know, I was just posting hypothetically. I mean...one ping only. ?
Even so, many synths are capable of imitating, in "as close a timbre as possible, or needed", using other synths.
Not all sounds, but certainly enough, and close enough to the original sound as needed.
Yes other synths can do the DX7 ep, that aren't fm7/8 or even FM synths. What might not be possible for one user with a synth, may be possible with another user using the same synth, in an emulation thing.
It might not be the same, but in a mix, most would be hard pressed to tell the difference, from a real Moog bass, and Diva, or Zebra doing an FM ep, or a DX7.
So therefore, what I'm saying is not "completely" false.
I mean using One Ping Only, might just make that DX7 ep tone, slightly out of reach...ya think?
What's the matter Lotuzia. You can't get a good Fairlight sound out of OnePingOnly? :hihi:
Me neither...but it was a joke.
Just saying. certain synths can emulate other synths pretty damn good sometimes, and there's nothing false about it. They just might do so to some purist, but the majority of people can't tell the difference, given enough skill, effort, and time, used in doing said emulation.

edit:I forgot to mention to the OP.
The CM magazine also includes another great free synth called PolyKB II Player, by Xils Labs.
TB4C
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270 posts since 9 Jul, 2008, from SOUTH AFRICA

Postby TB4C; Tue May 15, 2012 4:27 am

Mcnoone,Thank you for your reply...I will go and Look for a CM mag here in South Africa.... let me see what I can achieve with the Software that is there. Lotuzia thank you also for your reply!

Guys I think I can close this thread, I am sure that there is no more info to add, all you guys have been very Helpfull and have opened my mind to a few ideas and also directed me to Synths that are very appropiate.. I checked all the Synths audio demos out and will be buying what is necessary. Maybe when I am done with the project I might come back here and post it!!

Thank you all for your time, help and effort in helping me

Have an awesome day further!

Regards

TB4C :D
replicant X
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69 posts since 30 Jun, 2009, from moon

Postby replicant X; Tue May 15, 2012 4:55 am

TB4C wrote:Thank you every one once again for all your replies and recommendations, I have read through it all!!

So here
is the list.....

Diva -as I said my Cpu won't handle it effectively and it is out of my Budget range

Alternatively Tyrell, use it for bass layerd with another synth like Dune (Tyrell for the "Warm rounded bass" and Dune for the bass "punch"

Korg mono/poly or Korg Legacy cell for layerd bass and Pads...will investigate.

OBX pro... Listened to it, quite like the sounds...will investigate further.

I did demo Saurus, as many said the sound is not bad at all, but how can one test it in a mix when the demo times out so fast and the fact that it was opening my internet explorer to the Tone 2 website at the end of ten minutes of testing is a big " lets rush into a sale" scenario.... I NEVER GET PUSHED INTO SALES...that Kinda thing just puts me off...

Electrax was not bad....had a much better Analogue type sound than Saurus.... in the little while I was allowed to flick through the presets

Ultra Analogue.... will investigate futher....


Now I know we use cliche word like phat, warm, thick etc... let me suggest some songs that will illustrate the sounds....

The songs for the bass sound..... Haddayway- what is love



As I mentioned before.
It's YAMAHA DX. NOT ANALOG.
The bass sound of "Haddayway- what is love" is very famous DX sound.
"Lately Bass" or "Solid Bass".
Not only euro or pops, even UR use to use many DX sounds in '80s - '90s.
DX is not for only fake rohdes.
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thecontrolcentre
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16566 posts since 27 Jul, 2005, from the wilds of wanny

Postby thecontrolcentre; Tue May 15, 2012 5:20 am

I used to have a Yamaha PSS-680 for that DX bass sound ...

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It was my first midi keyboard. :)
kbaccki
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1916 posts since 12 Sep, 2004

Postby kbaccki; Tue May 15, 2012 8:16 am

TB4C wrote:Guys I think I can close this thread, I am sure that there is no more info to add,


That's what you think. This thread is just getting started.

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Maybe when I am done with the project I might come back here and post it!!


Please do! Would be interested to hear how you got your phat on. :)
ghettosynth
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4174 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Postby ghettosynth; Tue May 15, 2012 8:52 am

TB4C wrote:Nice warm pads: Alphaville- forever young


JX8P according to some. So, the character of that filter is interesting in that it works well there but, to my ears, it has a dark quality and is a bit nasaly if you will excuse the non-technical description.

Synths with that particular roland filter design don't sell as well as synths with the more popular IR3109 based filters.

I don't think that this sound is that hard to nail, a lot of the synths in this thread will do it ok.

sorry another Bass sound Lipps inc- Funky town and Snap- Rhythm is a dancer

combination of lead and bass - Axel F

Most of the Italo disco type sounds... leads, bass and pads....yeah I Know I am an Atari 80's kid

ohhhh Let me chuck another type sound example.... Sigue Sigue Sputnik, Love missle F1-11... Sigue Sigue Sputnik- Space Cowboy.....

I know they were wack...but I loved their Synth Sounds!!!

Thank you once again for taking the Trouble to comment and Suggest, I really am priviledge to be a KVR-member and to have all your input!!


Regards
TB4C


As has been said, a lot of the bass sounds are FM. Lips Inc. maybe a moog, multi/micro etc. Songs from the 90s are a lot about samplers and sampler abuse.
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1-2-Many
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2976 posts since 22 Feb, 2004, from Planet Earth...for now

Postby 1-2-Many; Tue May 15, 2012 9:13 am

Peter999 wrote:
TB4C wrote:combination of lead and bass - Axel F
Listen: OP-X - Axel F.

Was still done with the basic OP-X. Should be re-worked with OP-X PRO-II...
This example gets at the point for me...I've always felt a certain fuzz/blur factor when hearing VSTi trying to emu hardware sounds. The bass sound in this example pulls that out. The original bass sound conjures an image in my mind of a glossy black rubber ball, this example conjures that same ball rolled through lint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wgsj4eE ... re=related

The other day I was listening to New Order - Morning Night and Day, from their 2005 album....some great synth sounds there, especially diggin the rubbery arpegiatted bassy sound during the verse. Had me wondering if they were using hardware or VST for their synths on this album. If pressed for a guess I'd say hardware due to how clean the synths sound
Peter999
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Postby Peter999; Tue May 15, 2012 10:03 am

One should not forget that in 80ies productions the synths went over analog mixers onto analog tape, which has added a lot of (good sounding) micro-distortions and compressions as well as frequency shaping in the highs and the lows
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mellotronaut
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9975 posts since 2 Jan, 2005, from somewhere in the woods

Postby mellotronaut; Tue May 15, 2012 10:07 am

PolyAna
"It dreamed itself along"
kbaccki
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1916 posts since 12 Sep, 2004

Postby kbaccki; Tue May 15, 2012 10:31 am

Peter999 wrote:One should not forget that in 80ies productions the synths went over analog mixers onto analog tape, which has added a lot of (good sounding) micro-distortions and compressions as well as frequency shaping in the highs and the lows


Or for that matter, nothing says you need to record direct into the board. Plug your DX into a beefy power amp and put a mic or two in front of the speaker(s). You can do the same in the digtal realm... either literally or virtually. Try a combo of super clean and a bit dirty... like a Roland Jazz Chorus + Fender Twin.
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Uncle E
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6612 posts since 21 Nov, 2000, from Southern California

Postby Uncle E; Tue May 15, 2012 10:37 am

megapiano wrote:Uncle E...what about the Korg MonoPoly??

I don't have it, I only have the original bundle. That said, I don't even like a real MonoPoly. ;)
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Urs
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17373 posts since 7 Aug, 2002, from Berlin

Postby Urs; Tue May 15, 2012 10:56 am

ghettosynth wrote:
TB4C wrote:Nice warm pads: Alphaville- forever young


JX8P according to some. So, the character of that filter is interesting in that it works well there but, to my ears, it has a dark quality and is a bit nasaly if you will excuse the non-technical description.

Asked Bernhard Lloyd... it was a Jupiter8 layered with a PPG Wave 2.3 - these were the only polyphone synths they had.
ghettosynth
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4174 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Postby ghettosynth; Tue May 15, 2012 11:06 am

Urs wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:
TB4C wrote:Nice warm pads: Alphaville- forever young


JX8P according to some. So, the character of that filter is interesting in that it works well there but, to my ears, it has a dark quality and is a bit nasaly if you will excuse the non-technical description.


Asked Bernhard Lloyd... it was a Jupiter8 layered with a PPG Wave 2.3 - these were the only polyphone synths they had.


The PPG is evident later in the vocally bit. The jupiter 8 makes more sense from a timing perspective, the JX8p had just come out.

I suppose that explains why I found the JX8P a bit hard to believe.
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1-2-Many
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2976 posts since 22 Feb, 2004, from Planet Earth...for now

Postby 1-2-Many; Tue May 15, 2012 11:52 am

Peter999 wrote:One should not forget that in 80ies productions the synths went over analog mixers onto analog tape, which has added a lot of (good sounding) micro-distortions and compressions as well as frequency shaping in the highs and the lows
One should also note that once you add distortion, fuzz, or degradation of any kind to a sound no amount of audio processing can get it back to clean. Put a VSTi emulating a hardware sound through that same setup, and though it may sound better, you will still not lose the fuzzy factor, and you will still not sound as good as what it's trying to ape.

BTW I'm talking VSTi in general, OP-X is a top tier plugin IMO.

It's also my opinion that when people say Fat or Warm what they really mean is clean.
I think all the hoopla surrounding Diva is that it breaks the "VSTi Barrier" and overcomes this fuzz factor. It sounds clean and clear, esp in the low end, but at a price on CPU....The top rated VSTi come to the top as they get the closest to doing just THAT.

All gut felt opinion, so disregard me as you see fit
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Uncle E
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6612 posts since 21 Nov, 2000, from Southern California

Postby Uncle E; Tue May 15, 2012 12:36 pm

mcnoone wrote:I think Uncle E's skills may be lacking or his patience short.

Patience short.

There are ways to make OnePingOnly sound phat and warm if one was so inclined to work enough at it.

Yes, if one was so inclined, one could coax something phat and warm out of anything, including cats purring and babies cooing. Literally!

If using the Korg LegacyCell, finding yourself uninspired? That's impossible.

Not impossible.

That would mean you simply don't like synths or something.

Or something.

Some of those presets are the most inspiring sounds I've heard.

They must be right up your alley.

...and I've heard a lot.

Me, too. I'm KVR Member #92. :)
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