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All "pros" moving over to Logic, why?
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:08 am reply with quote
I am using Logic since v8 and I have my third iMac now, never had problems. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:30 am reply with quote
I've also noticed the Logic popularity trend. Don't think it's a trend among professionals necessarily, rather one among the home studio folks. I've seen this trend mostly in the magazines. Cubase used to be something of a standard DAW in the mags, but these days it's always Logic being used for the tutorials (and events like seminars/webinars). Same thing with video tutorials. It's a little bit strange this. I mean, you would've thought the obvious choice of DAW for tutorials would be one that's compatible with both PC and Mac, no?

I actually think Windows Vista plays a part in this. Vista was never a recommended OS for a DAW PC. Either you had to go with very old XP, or choose Mac with OS X instead. An obvious choice for many. This must have been a huge boost for the Logic popularity.

I also think the success of iPad in the music making community has made the Mac (and indirectly Logic) even more popular in the home studios. Most people I know that have an iPad, are also Mac users. I understand why. The iPad/PC connectivity sucks! (I know from experience).
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:46 am reply with quote
Yea, Im sure that all iMacs don't have problems. But my research on the internet, and various discussions with Apple or retailer employees have clearly shown that a large number of aluminium iMacs do/did have problems with their screens. I dont know if the percentage is higher than it should be, but it certainly seems like it is .. a lot higher.

Of course its impossible or extremely difficult to have no failures, and I probably just got unlucky, but this also made me realize that the all-in-one approach is not for me, except with laptops, where there really is no other choice. I don't want to be at the mercy of Apple, or whoever, to the degree Im forced to be, with an all-in-one.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:18 am reply with quote
I seriously doubt if what the OP has noticed actually reflects any genuine major shift in usage at all. When people think they've discovered a pattern, they see more of it.

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Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias, myside bias or verification bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:05 am reply with quote
Temporary lock while I split off luckystrike's (all too successful) trolling/derailment attempt.

People, nobody is obligated to react to obvious provocations. Letting such nonsense wither on the vine works so much better than disrupting the "discussion" -- the premise of which was severely flawed IMO and so not much better than flamebait in the first place, but a little better.

[edit] Done.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:48 am reply with quote
whyterabbyt wrote:
I seriously doubt if what the OP has noticed actually reflects any genuine major shift in usage at all. When people think they've discovered a pattern, they see more of it.

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Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias, myside bias or verification bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs
Thanks for that - I didn't know it had a terminology - good read. A while back I put it this way, "The human mind seeks and accepts that which supports its constructs".
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:23 am reply with quote
I'd love to try Logic out but then there is one fact that holds me back ...
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my only issue is cost of hardware.

The i7 Windows notebook I configured for 899€ turned out to be 2300€ as Mac version with exactly the same specs. The price factor is 2,57x
A RAM upgrade from 4GB to 8GB has changed my card by +200€.
For that money you can buy 10x 4GB sticks, cmon!

Don't want to start a Mac vs. Win discussion.
But even if Logic is "the best DAW", I find the Mac price tag ridiculous.
Though, once switched you might see more positive points about it than I do.
(I will never discover them HiHi)
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:33 am reply with quote
@phazedown I don't think you need a 2.300 € Mac notebook for Logic Smile My advice is to search some second hand or refurbished machine. It will still run Logic like a dream. And please never upgrade RAM with Apple.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:43 am reply with quote
george wrote:
@phazedown I don't think you need a 2.300 € Mac notebook for Logic Smile My advice is to search some second hand or refurbished machine. It will still run Logic like a dream. And please never upgrade RAM with Apple.


Why? Price or performance issue?
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:43 am reply with quote
They are mostly moving to FL, and lying.
Cool

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Its $199....?
Well, there ya go. wtf.
Big mystery solved.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:00 pm reply with quote
highkoo wrote:
They are mostly moving to FL, and lying.
Cool

edit:
Its $199....?
Well, there ya go. wtf.
Big mystery solved.


If people aren't leaving FL in droves I'd be surprised.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:15 pm reply with quote
xamido wrote:
george wrote:
@phazedown I don't think you need a 2.300 € Mac notebook for Logic Smile My advice is to search some second hand or refurbished machine. It will still run Logic like a dream. And please never upgrade RAM with Apple.


Why? Price or performance issue?

Because even a Core 2 Duo machine will run Logic perfectly. Make sure to get 8 GB RAM.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:16 pm reply with quote
jontah wrote:
but when all the big artists are changing to logic you gotta ask yourself "Y U NO ABLETON/CUBASE? Y U NEED SWITCH LOGIC?!"

Thanks


Because they are oblivious to the very real possibility of Apple screwing them over just like they did Shake and Final Cut owners.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:27 pm reply with quote
I'm not sure we are going to see any substantial updates in the daw market from apple.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:24 pm reply with quote
Not a surprise - Logic has some handy features for electronic music production especially. Region loops, bounce in place, great included effects, loops, and instruments, very good CPU efficiency, good MIDI editing functionality, etc. Although recently, I've noticed more people are trying out Ableton Live (Fred Falke, Morgan Page).

Many recently successful hip hop producers seem to favor FL Studio. Most non-electronic music producers like Pro Tools or Cubase. Post-production is mainly done using Pro Tools.

But anyway, totally depends on the "pro". The tool isn't what makes them a "pro".
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