Come on, that's about as mild as a derogation can get. Let it pass.

I'm going to have to check that out!

Yes of course.
...and it also can lend to the topic, as if you were a tool, which tool would you be?

The op is completely off, but since Logic went down in price, and loading.
I'm sure the increased sales for it, have made it more popular for non-professionals than professionals.
The plugins and samples alone, are worth much more than the cost of the whole.

If I were a tool, I'd be a synthesizer.

*thumbs up*

I'd be a snath. A professional one. And yes, the OP's premise is absurd. I think that's been brought up a few times. :-} As has the fact that the OP has not been back to the thread since lighting the fus- I mean, beginning the discussion. Some valid and interesting subthreads have evolved though, so I'd rather not lock unless necessary.

Anyone who wants to work with/for them, i.e. working in a studio as an engineer.

If that's what someone is after then Logic would be a complete waste of their time. The industry standard for professional recording studios is Pro Tools, period. There are some outliers using other DAWs, but Pro Tools is by and large what you will see in most professional studios. If someone wants to work in that field, then they better get familiar with it. Anyone who has even a cursory interest in working in a real recording studio should already know that, so the whole "what do pro's use issue" is just stupid and pointless. It's Pro Tools.

I took the OP's meaning of "pros" to be producers making electronic music in home studios at the professional level. Most modern dance music isn't made in professional studios (although a lot of it is still mixed and mastered there). Most producers in electronic music genres are making music in their own personal home studios using DAWs like Logic, Ableton Live, Cubase, or FL Studio. Yet, many of them are still "professionals" in every sense of the word. These people don't work in recording studios, and most of them don't know shit about Protools or how to use an SSL mixing console. These are the "pros" that the OP is most likely talking about. And they really don't give a shit what DAW you use.
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I took "pro" to be like my quotation marks

Yeah, it's true. For all the b...ing people do about protools, it's still the industry standard and it's not going to change. Too much file sharing done these days and though some hosts (I think logic has this to some degree) can import/export some of that nothing is like being able to go from PT to PT

PT has it's flaws, but it's still teh king.

I saw a lot of the same attitude 15 years ago when i first started learning animation. Then, it was "Pros use only SGIs". "Pros only use Softimage or Alias" Ten years ago: "Pros only use Maya". "3dsMax is only for games" "All editing is done on Avids" "All compositing is done on Flame"

and opther things like "All graphic design is done on Macs" and "All editing is done on Macs" (which some people believed applied to animation as well, then they get an animation job and find out the only Macs are the systems being used for editing in FCP)

These absolutes don't seem to apply when looking at the jobs out there... Guitar Center (which has a huge store in Hollywood) is blowing out their Pro Tools consoles, and people are blowing out their Digi 002s and 003s on craigslist because they aren't as necessary as they used to be. Pro Tools can now use ASIO compatible interfaces largely because Avid isn't selling it like they used to.

I've been into pro studios where they used an analog mixing desk connected to an interface going into Logic, or into Cubase.... and the PT based studios were 50/50 split between Mac and PC boxes. (the delay is getting PT and Avid out for Intel Macs knocked a lot of Macs out of studios)

Okay. You could read it like that, but I actually meant the tool part quite litterally, like " you are being manipulated" such as being fooled into a flame thread about logic pro on false premises. Follow Meffy' s advice and let it pass. I have no agenda but this simple fact. If you can turn the discussion into something else than the above, I am all green. Supergreen!

I like green........check this!



WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(kinda a shit picture, but j custom ibby with edge pro.........hubba hubba!!!! )

I think you entirely missed the point of my post.

I think you're missing the point of mine:

Pro Tools isn't what 'all recording studios' use for a DAW, any more than Maya is what 'all visual effects studios' use for animation or Avid (Media Composer) is what 'all editing facilities' use for editing, or Macs are what 'all graphic designers use'.

(And a lot of electronic music people work as or have worked as employees in recording studios...)

My point is, your statement that "The industry standard for professional recording studios is Pro Tools, period." isn't entirely accurate, and that attitude has been around in the entertainment industry for longer than most of us could afford *any* DAW.

one of the final reasons I bought Logic was to have congruence with people that use Logic, when I imagined being more interdependent, or 'professional' than I wound up being.

I don't know whether ALL professional studios are really Pro Tools only, anymore than ALL studios are Logic/Mac only.

I do know, however, that some MAY be Protools equipped or Logic equipped, and can also be equipped with other DAWs as well....none of us really 'know the Truth...in the singular and with a capitol T'

That is why I just said use what you prefer...