I thought i'd download the demo to have some nostalgia...

i heard so many reports it didn't work on mac since leopard.. *BS* cough *BS*

um..

yeah..

i'm on snow leopard 64 bit kernel 10.6.8, mac book pro intel sandy bridge quad 2.2ghz with hyperthreading, 8GB ram, chose a 128 buffer,

and loaded up the most recent power hungry synth i could find... DIVA.. and it worked well without any cracks or pops all the way to about 85% cpu load.. when i upped the buffer to 256, i could take the cpu load to around 95%

this is line and even better than some other hosts...


I have 280 vst plugins installed. Not a single one made it crash and only one of them didn't work, and that was the linplug electro which i recently downloaded to demo.

All the lexicon stuff works, Arts acoustic, Blue cat, PSP, Slate, IK and so on and so on and so on..,.

I did not get a single crash from a single vst plugin, only relectro froze the playback cursor till it was removed..

Multi core support is working as expected, it performs way better with 8 threads enabled than with two or one...

the problem where tracks output to the same sub track all load on the one core is still there but that's easy to work around...

I can tell you now... i love tracktion as much as i always did.. The amazing automation curves and tempo track.. so so easy to use, SO intuitive.

There is a constantly repeatable bug when timestretching a track that will crash it completely paticularly when choosing between the two stretch modes.. BUT.. the TS is so shit anyway that's easy to avoid.. just ableton live rewired into it and render into tracktion.. Alas the demo will not let me render but i don't see why it wouldn't work...

It has made me very said though cause with a bit of code cleanup it could still be one of the top hosts..

It is said when a big company buys something top help flog their hardware and abandons it.

I can tell you if it had a 64 bit version and a better timestretch algo, as well as some sort of beat detective thing added, i think i would use it as my main host to get ideas down just like i always did, yes, even more so than logic. No joke.

I am sure there are hundreds if not more people who feel the same...

I can only hope that someone at Mackie is reading this....

MAKE IT OPEN SOURCE PLEASE MACKIE, PLEASE, or DO SOMETHING WITH IT
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+1 ttoz!

Still the most intuitive UI a decade later. If you have downloaded T3, then you should have zplane's élastique time stretch option available. It was on the feature list back in 2008 when Mackie released the Tracktion 3 'Lifetime' Edition.



Sadly, it seems no one at Mackie cares to read anymore, let alone 'Do the Right Thing'.

it doesn't seem to be there.. there is just "transient" or tonal"

they both crash

that said, it seems my excitement may have been exaggerated,

most of the demo songs immediately crash on opening.

I was quick enough to take a screen dump of one of them to see what was in the project that might be doing it, but it just seems like standard tracktion racks and filters...

it *could* be time stretching being activated somewhere which is something the screenshot doesn't show...

in fact, i am going to start a project on it with a few tracks and effects , like a quick song, NOT using timestretching, and try crash it, if it doesn't, then my guess will be the TS just makes it completely unstable..

in fact, because loops were such a big "feature" of T3, and therefore people would have automatically been using TS, i wonder if those that thought it was unstable ALL had crashes exclusively because of TS.
Oh well i will know with further testing.

Since I'm way up on the north end of the planet, I use T3 on Win7 64bit. After some experimentation with the install config (not on the Windows system drive) it is completely stable and is my guilty pleasure DAW of choice. Fast and fun!

If you can get it to run stable on your shiny system, that could open a new renaissance era for many still grieving Mac groundhogs. Good luck. We're pulling for you!

Good work Theo!!

I loved the bouce with tails option in T3. No more truncated delays or reverb tails, and the bounced track was always trimmed to a correct length.

I suggested this on the Studio One forums, and the response was 'why would you want to do that?'. For the life of me, I can't work out why you wouldn't want to do that.

Despite drag and drop functionality - and multiple instances combined with powerful CPUs, does everybody just still use busses for that vintage 'overcomplex path' vibe?

Studio One manual:

"With any Audio Track that has effects inserted on its corresponding channel selected, right-click on the Track and select Transform to Rendered Audio from the context menu. Check Preserve Realtime State if you would like to be able to transform back to the original Track. Specify a Tail amount in seconds if there is a delay, reverb, or similar effect that you will want to render beyond the Event length on the Track.

Click OK, and the Audio Track will be bounced, with its insert effects; then the original Audio Track will replaced with the newly bounced audio on a new Audio Track with the same name. If a Tail amount was specified, you will notice that fade-outs have been applied automatically across the specified Tail duration for each Event. The insert effects will not be inserted on the new track, as they
have been rendered into the audio on the Track."

I thought i would try run it under rosetta mode out of curiosity..

all the demo projects now open and the timestretch bug is gone...

so it is obviously an intel problem.

the performance is MUCH worse and half my effects aren't there cause they are intel only,

but it;s more stable.

that said, if the only cause of crashing is the TS i am happy to live with that.. I have to do some further testing...

specifically, it's the zero point auto selection that I like the most - otherwise, it's 'guess how long your FX last for', which for longer delays or mixed effects is a crapshoot. Tracktion would render until it heard silence, and without prompting for details would present you with a perfectly trimmed track for as long as it took for your effects to fade to nothing. S1's method is less precise, and is far more likely to produce either truncated tails or unnecessarily long clips.

just to be fair, logic intelligently bounces in line with the effects tail also.

I always had great taste in software lol.

Reaper does so as well. What's the big deal.

that we are at KVR and love to go OT?

Tempted to try this on my Mac - always loved Tracktion

OMG i am so excited.. I am up to 11 tracks now, about 12 insert efx and 2 sends

I managed to open the demo track that crashed in rosetta mode and it indeed did have a couple of clips with TS...

the TS is active in real time at all times once instantiated.. so that's why it was crashing on load it would seem.


Tracktion is working just fine... just don't use the crappy stretch if you are on an intel mac!

How quick am i making a song in it.. wow!!

@amused.. the demo is so lightweight and a small download and doesn't install anything bad to your system.. why not give it a go, see if you can confirm the TS bug, and let me know how it works for you in general?


I might just be lucky, and i have yet to try it on my main studio imac.. but it would be great to hear another user's experience!
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just another note, it is only using 97 MB so far total ram! so even though it's 32 bit it's very light on ram..

logic is using 400 or so just when loaded up.

hmm!