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Diva hardware controller
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:35 pm reply with quote
I was surprised not to find any items on this.

I for one would be very interested in the Diva Hardware controller Urs showed at namm. So this is me saying, please develop this to a production version, I will buy it. IMHO this is the next thing now that plugin software is near to a peak sound quality wise.

Diva deserves a great controller. I would have bought the impocar2 controller if I would have loved the sound of the imposcar as much as Diva's.

I'm not sure how the market is for this kind of product, it might seem strange for some to control a €150 piece of software with a €1500 piece of hardware (imposcar). Not to me though, 'cause hey, it's the same in hardware synths Isn't it? That's a combination of hardware and software too, only it's not sold separately (over simplified for the sake of argument of course). And nothing beats the value of dedicated hands on control.

I wouldn't mind the premium price it would probably cost although I realize I'm not mass market here. I would be willing to pay over 2k for a controller(-only, without processor) similar to what you showed at namm.

So Urs, what are the ambitions for this controller, are you really concidering developing it?
Any price range you are concidering
And are you thinking 2012?
Will it contain processing power (you mentioned ton namm the computer should be inside the box) or will it be controller only (I wouldnt mind actually, both have it's pro's and con's). If it's included it might even challenge the mighty Bowen Solaris concept.
Actually I would prefer controller only. That makes development much easier and more viable.

How about you guys, any others interested and how much would you be willing to pay for such a controller. How would you like it (processing included, with/without keyboard etc.) Let's give Urs the little push he might need to make this a reality. Maybe a co investment of the community to take it to the next step. I'm in!
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:39 pm reply with quote
http://sonicmp4.s3.amazonaws.com/messe12_urs_uhe.mp4
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/musikmesse-2012-video-u- he-diva-dedicated-hardware-controller-535953#.T7QQO9VbRUM.ma ilto
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:04 pm reply with quote
If you're serious about this consider contacting M. Jurish at http://synth-project.de/diva.html where he's making one now. If the price is right I'm guessing he'd consider making you one. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:33 pm reply with quote
Thanks for the reference. I had already found his site but he is clear about not building controllers for sale. Unfortunately.. I wish I had his skills and tools (and time Smile)
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:46 pm reply with quote
bmrzycki wrote:
If you're serious about this consider contacting M. Jurish at http://synth-project.de/diva.html where he's making one now. If the price is right I'm guessing he'd consider making you one. Smile


His controllers look amazing. I have considered making him an offer for a controller, even though I am on minimum wage ! lol

If my Virus breaks down I might send him an email.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:02 pm reply with quote
Building the controller for Musikmesse was very exhausting. I needed to put it aside for a few weeks until we get some other stuff sorted. Then we'll pick it up again and see where it goes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 12:04 am reply with quote
Thanks for you reply. We'll see where it goes, please inform us now and then. I hope you find a good partner that can take some of the burden it must be to develop good hardware (although by the look on your face you had a hard but great time building the namm model yourselves)
Just to let you know that you' ll sell at least one Smile

Anyone else any thoughts on this?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:24 am reply with quote
Urs wrote:
Building the controller for Musikmesse was very exhausting. I needed to put it aside for a few weeks until we get some other stuff sorted. Then we'll pick it up again and see where it goes.


Hmm, this means translated into "reality": Never.


Have purchased Diva, one of the reason (beside the good sound) was the controller U-He introduced on the Musikmesse. So I had a hope, but now I see, it will never happen, lost my money for another abstraction of an musical instrument. Too sad.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:49 am reply with quote
Lump wrote:
Urs wrote:
Building the controller for Musikmesse was very exhausting. I needed to put it aside for a few weeks until we get some other stuff sorted. Then we'll pick it up again and see where it goes.


Hmm, this means translated into "reality": Never.


Have purchased Diva, one of the reason (beside the good sound) was the controller U-He introduced on the Musikmesse. So I had a hope, but now I see, it will never happen, lost my money for another abstraction of an musical instrument. Too sad.

We're a software company. The guys have been building a single controller in our office kitchen (!!!) over the course of six weeks. If we were to build a small series of controllers we either need to invest money beyond our possibilities (i.e. buy them from a contractor), or we need to move into a bigger place. Latter is a tempting option, but our contract goes for at least another 18 months.

So we're still thinking about it, but it won't happen anytime soon.

The bit about lost money is beyond my comprehension though. Diva is worth every cent we ask, and then some.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:50 pm reply with quote
Urs wrote:
The bit about lost money is beyond my comprehension though. Diva is worth every cent we ask, and then some.


+1000 You beat me to it Urs...

Now that you can buy a 24" touchscreen monitor for what a non-touchscreen cost one-two years ago, and with Windows 8 on the horizon, I would be thinking more about touch interface than dedicated hardware myself. I have my eye on the 22" Dell that can work flat on a table or inclined at multiple angles Love
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:46 pm reply with quote
Yeah touchscreen...and in 3 years i please want a little projector that projects a 3d diva on my table with full control Wink Shit! Shit! Shit! Very Happy Very Happy

maybe as infrared controller? Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:04 pm reply with quote
Suloo wrote:
Yeah touchscreen...and in 3 years i please want a little projector that projects a 3d diva on my table with full control Wink Shit! Shit! Shit! Very Happy Very Happy

maybe as infrared controller? Embarassed


maybe this will bridge the time till then... Wink
http://www.leapmotion.com/
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:36 pm reply with quote
Just WoW..thx for sharing! Shit! preordered instantly Wink

its good we have resize option on u-he synths so i can tweak different parameters at once..damn thats mad Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:07 pm reply with quote
Here are some other suggestions:

1. Livid just announced a new modular MIDI system !!!!!
http://lividinstruments.com/hardware_elements.php
The plain small case is $250 (big one $299) and $100 each module:

http://shop.lividinstruments.com/elements.html
As far as I know it's the first of its type. About time!!

2. DIY: case+potis/faders and for example
http://lividinstruments.com/hardware_builder.php
http://www.doepfer.de/usb64.htm - 144€
http://www.doepfer.de/mtc.htm - 95€
http://www.doepfer.de/ctm.htm - 95€

3. customize controllers
Try for example UC-33e http://de.m-audio.com/products/de_de/UC33e.html
(discontinued, used around 150€. it has 8x4 potis, 9 faders)

I just made a faceplate for my Xone:DX (soon colored hard paper)
one night of work + 0,15€ DIN A3 print

"Almost like the real thing" HiHi

But I'm missing "soft takeover" (diva knob doesn't jump instantly if you touch the assigned hardware knob but it waits until their positions are matching). I've read the midi message system is being reworked, hope this and saving/managing mapping presets will be included.
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