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Do you think Alchemy should invest any effort for porting itself to Reason ?
Yes absolutely
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Not a bad idea, but I can live without it, Rewire works fine for me
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Absolutely not , I rather Camel Audio implement new features for Alchemy
65%
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Thanks for all the Fish !
6%
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Total Votes : 107

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:34 am reply with quote
Ben [Camel Audio] wrote:
We'd love to port Alchemy to RE format, but unfortunately the RE format currently has too many restrictions on the interface and in other respects which unfortunately make it impossible for us to release Alchemy or even Alchemy Player in RE format. (I can't say more than that due to the NDA). These aren't restrictions we can work round in any way - its just impossible with the current RE spec. We hope the Propellerheads will implement these features soon, as we'd love to create a version of Alchemy in RE format :) So if this is something you're really keen to see, Propellerheads are the people to lobby to implement the features we need. (We've already chatted to them about it, so they know what's required).

Cheers
Ben


Just wanted to chime in as an existing Alchemy user that I'd also love to see Alchemy RE. And FYI some of us are indeed pestering props about it! :)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:24 am reply with quote
I just want Maelstrom in VST !
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:03 pm reply with quote
kilon wrote:
The point of this thread was to discuss whether there was a possibility to port Alchemy to Reason and see how many users actually take an interest in such port.


And 60% of current respondants to the poll have voted "no"
Which, by my maths, is nearly 3x as many as voted "yes" Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:46 am reply with quote
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kilon wrote:
The point of this thread was to discuss whether there was a possibility to port Alchemy to Reason and see how many users actually take an interest in such port.


And 60% of current respondants to the poll have voted "no"
Which, by my maths, is nearly 3x as many as voted "yes" ;)


Which doesn't say anything really. I mean, if I wasn't using Reason and had no interest in the platform I would have also voted no. Do you have a real point to your posts or can we be content with knowing that you don't support the notion of Alchemy RE? :)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:49 am reply with quote
eXode wrote:
Do you have a real point to your posts or can we be content with knowing that you don't support the notion of Alchemy RE? Smile


Oh I see, so it's quite alright for those that DO support the notion of Alchemy RE to voice their opinion but not those that DON'T.

Sorry, I didn't realise that this was a supporters only thread. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:28 am reply with quote
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eXode wrote:
Do you have a real point to your posts or can we be content with knowing that you don't support the notion of Alchemy RE? :)


Oh I see, so it's quite alright for those that DO support the notion of Alchemy RE to voice their opinion but not those that DON'T.

Sorry, I didn't realise that this was a supporters only thread. :?


What did you expect with the thread title? Your first two posts were about props not opening up for VST and other shortcomings of Reason which imho is completely irrelevant to this thread.

"I have no interest in Reason nor Rack Extensions, why I'd prefer if Camel Audio would put their efforts on developing their existing plugins" would have been a more than adequate answer.

There are other threads in this site where you can join in on the Reason bashing. :)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:59 am reply with quote
eXode wrote:
ben_horwood wrote:
kilon wrote:
The point of this thread was to discuss whether there was a possibility to port Alchemy to Reason and see how many users actually take an interest in such port.


And 60% of current respondants to the poll have voted "no"
Which, by my maths, is nearly 3x as many as voted "yes" Wink


Which doesn't say anything really. I mean, if I wasn't using Reason and had no interest in the platform I would have also voted no. Do you have a real point to your posts or can we be content with knowing that you don't support the notion of Alchemy RE? Smile


By the time that the RE format and the core Reason software itself has the power and features to support a product like Alchemy, my guess is that the Reason users - giddy with the option to finally buy the third party products they have been slagging off on the internets for the last decade - will have already spent too much on stuff, and will have a rack that is positively heaving under the weight of over-priced early-adopter devices (the stuff in their store already costs more than $,1000).

And just to let you Alchemy lovers know - the Propellerhead business plan hasn't left developers any scope for offering cross grade offers, so you'll need to buy Alchemy all over again at full price just to run it in Reson if you want an RE version Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:05 am reply with quote
Ben [Camel Audio] wrote:
We'd love to port Alchemy to RE format, but unfortunately the RE format currently has too many restrictions on the interface and in other respects which unfortunately make it impossible for us to release Alchemy or even Alchemy Player in RE format. (I can't say more than that due to the NDA). These aren't restrictions we can work round in any way - its just impossible with the current RE spec. We hope the Propellerheads will implement these features soon, as we'd love to create a version of Alchemy in RE format Smile So if this is something you're really keen to see, Propellerheads are the people to lobby to implement the features we need. (We've already chatted to them about it, so they know what's required).

Cheers
Ben

How about simpler stuff like Camelphat?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:10 am reply with quote
I would like Camel Phat and Camel Space as Reason RE, would this be possible?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:40 am reply with quote
fwiw, if / when we do develop an RE version of alchemy, it should have minimal impact on development of vst / au alchemy, so the poll option isn't really very relevant, and not worth arguing about. when its technically possible to port alchemy to RE, there is a very good chance we will do so. its not an either / or situation.

as far as i know, its not currently possible to port phat and space to RE with full functionality intact either.... it would require substantial recoding to work around the current restrictions, which is something we'd prefer to avoid

cheers,

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:18 am reply with quote
Can we get a maelstrom ALchemy sound expansion Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:05 am reply with quote
Edit - just realized you meant the other way around... a soundbank for Alchemy where the original source material was created using Maelstrom. It is not currently planned for, but I believe several of our sound designers own Reason, too. If there is enough demand for it, and provided it is allowed by the Reason license agreement, it is possible that a sound designer might give that a try at some point. However, given Alchemy's own granular abilities, they'll likely just choose to focus on that, though, since it would simplify the sound design process.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:55 am reply with quote
ugo wrote:
Edit - just realized you meant the other way around... a soundbank for Alchemy where the original source material was created using Maelstrom. It is not currently planned for, but I believe several of our sound designers own Reason, too. If there is enough demand for it, and provided it is allowed by the Reason license agreement, it is possible that a sound designer might give that a try at some point. However, given Alchemy's own granular abilities, they'll likely just choose to focus on that, though, since it would simplify the sound design process.

Maelstrom is a very cool synth - and Magnus who made it is a very talented great guy. Just to clarify - creating a sound library based on samples of Maelstrom presets would violate the Reason license agreement, and we certainly wouldn't do it. Maelstrom implements a particular type of granular synthesis which is very interesting and its likely that at some point in the future we will implement something along those lines.

Cheers
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:23 pm reply with quote
Ben [Camel Audio] wrote:
Maelstrom implements a particular type of granular synthesis which is very interesting and its likely that at some point in the future we will implement something along those lines.

Cheers
Ben

Ooh, that sounds promising! I've always wanted to be able to load my own graintables in Malstrom, would be a great feature in Alchemy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:45 pm reply with quote
Camel space or cample phat as rack extensions
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