who the hell wants vst support in reason? Not me.

When i use reason ( i have had it open on the mac for three days now LOL and i have done evrything from adding 200 audio tracks to 500 plugins and i just can not get it to crash), i use it because i KNOW the thing is solid. Props are right and I am glad they are sticking to their guns.. they are giving us a way to get some extra effects and instruments.. without compromising rock solid stability

I leave my laptop on forever with S1 and not a problem there.
Reason top score is going to be a thing of the past, especially from the CPU usage standpoint with the RE, and I had Reason freeze here and there, rarely but not impossible. Many Reason users may experience the same but they may live in denial or just don't report it. Pure fanaticism.

No problem. Yes, they managed to really nail the sound of a true grand piano (in version 4 with the D Series in my opinion) as well as using the same technology to create realistic harpsichords, EPs, vibes, and even bells. And all sort of unreal sounds of course - so flexible and versatile.



Uh, that should be reading 440hz. It's basically the frequency of the note we call "Concert A" - the note an orchestra tunes to, and the basis of defining what would be called the "fine tuning" on a synth.

There are two reasons you might want to adjust that figure:
+ Firstly if you were playing with somebody - or a recording - which isn't quite in tune. So you can use it to adjust fine tuning.
+ Secondly, for "early music" - generally music from before and up to the Baroque Era, say 1750 - the diapison was not standardised to 440. In fact it was usually around 415, which is almost a semitone down. So if you load up the harpsichord models for example you will see that there is a different number possible here. Pianoteq also allows for different "temperaments", which were the tuning systems used before "equal temperament".

This is of course another major advantage that physical modelling has over using sample libraries.

Reason is a very nice piece of software, i've played it since 2004 till version 6.. Not now, though: i sold it in may. It has become too complex for a standalone application and too limited for a DAW. Kind of a "hybrid": without plugin support you don't go anywhere nowadays. RE is not the answer IMHO (too little, too late... and expensive, too). Besides I hate dongles. It lacks midi out and drag and drop for midi and audio elements. I can survive without these last two, i can even accept the dongle policy. But the lack of (REAL, not RE) plugins support is something I cannot understand in 2012. Rewire is out of question, of course. Regarding the crashes: the "anti-crash BUNKER" Propellerhead concept could even be ok, but then why professional musicians prefer buggy and crashing DAWS?! I mean, they should all play the "rock solid" Reason, rather than cubase, logic etc. (just to name the most @!!*¥{##~*%%~!! ones)...

Thanks - I try to balance my nonsense with a bit of sense now and then

That's very kind - thank you

It doesn't crash I have 16RE's and I have not been able to get my Mac to crash once in 3 days with over 7 odd hours use a day thus far........
The Alligator issue is a known Win 32 issue that they are still working on.
Several peeps have updated audio drivers and OS and now have zero problems.
Around 3 of the "bug posters" didn't realize they where talking about version 6.02 and not 6.5 until later today.
I love how a handful of people harp on in a forum and the empty vessels always seem to manage the highest signal to noise ratio over there.
For a 6.5 release as Ttoz has said it's damn solid for new technology implementation.

I've had full crashes using Reason since version 5. There's plenty of threads/comments on the props forum about the "bad file format" error that can follow a crash, and requires a full uninstall/reinstall to solve.

One problem - or shall I say feature request - is that they are so convinced of Reason's infalibility that they seem to have no crash recovery process built in. If it crashes, and it can, then you lose everything. That's not good, and personally I would rather have a programme that *might* crash but subsequently recovers your work than one that probably won't crash - but will lose everything if it does.



I think the other problem going forward is that Reason has no "freeze" function. And it can be quite a memory hog. Add in the lack of PDC and overall I think that from a technological point of view they have a significantly less able/stable product.

I bought the upgrade 2 month's ago from reason 3, and started to contemplate selling the whole bundle. I was a bit sore at first because of the latency issues and not being able to download without internet connection. However in retrospect, I got the upgrade purely for the kong drum designer and ssl mixer because its as good as the duende native ssl plugins. Ive been reading about people mixing down into stems and porting them directly into reason just to sum them through the mixer. I had an offer from Kmonkey who wanted a trade but we couldnt agree on it so in the end I changed my mind. I think Ill keep reason 6.5 as is for now, because when all is said and done its worth the money with or without the rack extensions anyday.

The fact Reason never crashes can even be something to be proud of as a user, but remains a useless pride for me, since i cannot play my vst instruments in it. Is it like feeling invincible in a bunker? No, thanks. REs: Predator, the Korgs etc. are very nice, but almost 10 years old, indeed. You can play them on a W98 system or say on a crappy ipad... without crashes, too. Nothing new (apart the price). All these "wow" for what then? I don't understand, really...

Of course, there are fine reasons for Reason holding off on implementing a one button freeze or PDC - it's the price for fairly unlimited routing. Most hosts I've worked in won't freeze busses, and every mix channel in Reason is effectively a bus. See the problem? Along those lines, does Live still have the problem where you can't even freeze anything with sidechain automation? God that made it useless . Not that bouncing and muting doesn't accomplish %90 of freeze.

absolutely agree with you. it is way worse than even the basic NN pianos included

it's *really* bad. So sad actually, but not a true pianos or pianoteq competitor and neither of those are great anyway.

thankfully there are some terrific refills with good pianos available.

Weird me too! what was that all about.. I get it that they wanted to release asap but to not "launch" "RE" with a serious synth was really weird.

Thore is great though, thankfully.

When predator is out i really have all my EDM needs covered by a mile

and there are plenty of refills for lush pads and strings etc

People have been saying this sort of thing in one form or another ever since it first came out. But 10 years later it's not just still here it also seems to be doing better than ever.

People still want the sound of a moog. Ima go out on a limb and say that's older than 10 years You can't route the CV from any app on your iPad to some other app. Why? It ain't there!

I can't use my Photoshop plugins in anything else. I can't use my iPhone apps on my android. As I said earlier in this thread, this is NOT the only industry that has things that you can't run from somewhere else. The only thing that's ubiquitous is the computer itself. From there, you start fragmenting at the OS and it goes from there.

myrna, the rest of this is not directed at you at all... I want to be clear


I can say with 100% certainty...

I DO NOT want VST's in Reason because I lose the ability to route CV from or to them. I lose combining things in a Combinator in a single virtual "rack" and have the cables route nicely in the back of that combinator. You can do "similar" things in Ableton by Grouping elements together, but you can't make one thing control another or several others.

Someone posted a screen cap from an app that is beta that will route controller's from one thing to another, but I looked at it and immediately it was obvious to me: This isn't anywhere close to being as elegant as Reason. Because the VST's aren't built around the routing paradigm. Theyve bolted it onto it. Not elegant. The PH are forcing the integration by setting "standards" for their RE's so everything play's nice together. Elegant.

RE's are NOT VST's. Nor do I want them to be. I want something that expand's REASON and exploits it's strengths. IMO, that's what the Props are setting out to do. If you WANT to use VST's, they don't care. Rewire up your host of choice and have fun. I do it with Live and its awesome. People then start in on "but then I can't sequence from the same host", or "I have to launch TWO hosts?!?!?!? SAVE TWO FILES?!? WHUUUU!?!?", or "I HAVE TO BE ATTACHED TO THE INTERNET!?!?!?"



These arguments are nothing but whining. Nothing will work 100% to anyone's liking. NOTHING. Everything has tradeoffs and the more flexibility one demands, the more complex the system. Therefore, more compromises. That applies to all systems... music, computer networks, roads, pricing models, etc.

I grow tired of the people that stand on this platform of "I can bitch and bitch about something because I don't settle for imperfection. I'm actually doing them a favor by complaining. It will make the product better."

<there's no steaming pile emoticon, but insert one here>

What you are really doing is whining publicly (and for some, constantly) about what YOU want. If that's the case, just email them. They'll get it directly and you'll have done more for your cause. I don't mind hearing the opinions about issues for a few posts. But the same ones OVER AND OVER? It get's old. For me personally, you lose credibility. I work "through" issues, not sit and bitch about things forEVER that simply aren't there. Constantly gripe to THEM. Email bomb them. Whatever, but the truth is none of us on the forum can change it. The PH's can. Go to the source.



Ok, rant mode off. Don't take it too personally, whiners. Its just how I feel about you