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Is there a plugin which can replace Fruity Stereo Shaper

VST, AU, etc. plug-in Virtual Effects discussion

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KVRAF
 
3172 posts since 17 Aug, 2004

Postby kmonkey; Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:16 am Is there a plugin which can replace Fruity Stereo Shaper

Seems simple plugin yet VERY useful. It's bundled with FL Studio. IS there any alternative in VST plugin for that?

Here is description of features

http://www.image-line.com/help/index.html?id=flstudio
KVRAF
 
3172 posts since 17 Aug, 2004

Postby kmonkey; Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:25 am

bump anyone :)
KVRAF
 
3595 posts since 5 Jan, 2006, from UK

Postby fandango; Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:41 am

I know the one you mean. It comes with the Juice Pack in VST form for use in other hosts, though that's a bit pricey if you just want the Stereo Shaper. Even in the IL yard sale!

Monomaker might be worth a look. I think it only allows narrowing of the stereo field, not expansion (though that usually sounds horrible in that direction anyway).
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/dfx_mon ... electronix

A couple of others that might be more comprehensive (but still free, afaik)
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/midside ... dioteknikk
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/mstereo ... production

I can't find the one I used to use though. It may have been by Jason Breibart(spl?) before his website became ToneTools.

This one is similar, but the interface isn't as intuitive as the one I remember (which was a VST 1 plugin, iirc).
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/stereo_ ... industries
KVRist
 
324 posts since 2 Oct, 2002, from Finland, Europe

Postby Jesse J; Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:49 am

These are very useful M/S tools:
http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/product/mstools/
KVRAF
 
5549 posts since 4 May, 2007, from Mars Colony

Postby A.M. Gold; Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:59 am

Didn't come with my Juice Pack.

:(

I don't think this does everything the FL one does, but it does a lot of it and it looks super sexy doing it:

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/stereoc ... me-records
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KVRAF
 
3172 posts since 17 Aug, 2004

Postby kmonkey; Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:07 am

Thanks guys. No it doesn't ship with IL Juice pack.

Some cool tools there. Keep em coming :)
KVRAF
 
3595 posts since 5 Jan, 2006, from UK

Postby fandango; Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:14 am

How wierd, I got it with mine! (but then, I also got Edison with it, and I'm told IL had a screw-up but honoured the purchase for those who got it with the juice pack, so maybe that happened with the stereo shaper as well.)

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KVRian
 
1445 posts since 15 Oct, 2008, from Germany

Postby paterpeter; Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:26 am

I'd also recommend to have a look at the ReaPlugs suite, especially ReaJS. It has a bunch of useful stuff that you can combine to emulate the functionality of Stereo Shaper.
E.g. to replace the mixer matrix in Stereo Shaper, use utility/channelmixer,
to have channel based delays use LOSER/TimeDelayer.


[Edit] @fandango: he refers to Stereo Shaper:
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KVRAF
 
3595 posts since 5 Jan, 2006, from UK

Postby fandango; Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:50 am

Oh! Haha, sorry. Seems I've been out of the (fruity) loop too long, that plugin is totally new to me! :dog: :oops:
KVRian
 
1445 posts since 15 Oct, 2008, from Germany

Postby paterpeter; Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:18 am

Quick question by silly me: what does the phase shifting knob actually do? I know about signal phase, comb filtering, phase cancellation and that kind of stuff. but I can't really put my finger on the concept of "phase shifting" a broadband signal. Does it mean delaying each frequency of the spectrum by angle * period? How is this done? FFT? Shouldn't stereo shaper add a (plugin) delay then?
lfm
KVRAF
 
2614 posts since 22 Jan, 2005, from Sweden

Postby lfm; Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:47 am

paterpeter wrote:Quick question by silly me: what does the phase shifting knob actually do? I know about signal phase, comb filtering, phase cancellation and that kind of stuff. but I can't really put my finger on the concept of "phase shifting" a broadband signal. Does it mean delaying each frequency of the spectrum by angle * period? How is this done? FFT? Shouldn't stereo shaper add a (plugin) delay then?


I'm guessing it's to do with Mid/Side processing which is done through phase shifting.

That you could affect what is actually considered Mid material and Side material.

If I remember right you are summing channels to mono, and then phase shift one channel 180 degrees and sum with monosum to cancel out what is considered mid, and remainder is side material.

Something like that.

Here is an article:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov10/a ... essing.htm
KVRian
 
1445 posts since 15 Oct, 2008, from Germany

Postby paterpeter; Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:56 am

lfm wrote:
paterpeter wrote:Quick question by silly me: what does the phase shifting knob actually do? I know about signal phase, comb filtering, phase cancellation and that kind of stuff. but I can't really put my finger on the concept of "phase shifting" a broadband signal. Does it mean delaying each frequency of the spectrum by angle * period? How is this done? FFT? Shouldn't stereo shaper add a (plugin) delay then?


I'm guessing it's to do with Mid/Side processing which is done through phase shifting.

That you could affect what is actually considered Mid material and Side material.

If I remember right you are summing channels to mono, and then phase shift one channel 180 degrees and sum with monosum to cancel out what is considered mid, and remainder is side material.

Something like that.

Here is an article:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov10/a ... essing.htm

Thanks, I'll read that.

I doubt this is a mid/side thing, though as it also works with a signal without side content. And it definitively isn't a simple polarity inversion.

I've tried the phase shift knob on a (stereo) square wave where L=R, ie. no side content. It changes the shape of the wave on the affected channel, but not the spectrum it generates. If I try it on a sine, the sine wave is simply moved back in time (=delayed) with respect to the unaffected channel. So I guess my idea that the knob delays each frequency/partial by a different amount could be correct.
lfm
KVRAF
 
2614 posts since 22 Jan, 2005, from Sweden

Postby lfm; Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:25 am

paterpeter wrote:I'm guessing it's to do with Mid/Side processing which is done through phase shifting.

That you could affect what is actually considered Mid material and Side material.

If I remember right you are summing channels to mono, and then phase shift one channel 180 degrees and sum with monosum to cancel out what is considered mid, and remainder is side material.

Something like that.

Here is an article:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov10/a ... essing.htm

Thanks, I'll read that.

I doubt this is a mid/side thing, though as it also works with a signal without side content. And it definitively isn't a simple polarity inversion.

I've tried the phase shift knob on a (stereo) square wave where L=R, ie. no side content. It changes the shape of the wave on the affected channel, but not the spectrum it generates. If I try it on a sine, the sine wave is simply moved back in time (=delayed) with respect to the unaffected channel. So I guess my idea that the knob delays each frequency/partial by a different amount could be correct.[/quote]

I guess all that is left is - RTFM :D
KVRAF
 
5439 posts since 28 Apr, 2004, from france
 

Postby sinkmusic; Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:36 am

HiIm' biased, but here are 3 bands of stereo spreading goodness, with M/S features ;)
http://www.delamancha.co.uk/thr33some.htm
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Postby maxxxter; Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:53 am

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