Is there a plugin which can replace Fruity Stereo Shaper
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4821 posts since 17 Aug, 2004
Seems simple plugin yet VERY useful. It's bundled with FL Studio. IS there any alternative in VST plugin for that?
Here is description of features
http://www.image-line.com/help/index.html?id=flstudio
Here is description of features
http://www.image-line.com/help/index.html?id=flstudio
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- KVRAF
- 3623 posts since 5 Jan, 2006 from UK
I know the one you mean. It comes with the Juice Pack in VST form for use in other hosts, though that's a bit pricey if you just want the Stereo Shaper. Even in the IL yard sale!
Monomaker might be worth a look. I think it only allows narrowing of the stereo field, not expansion (though that usually sounds horrible in that direction anyway).
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/dfx_mon ... electronix
A couple of others that might be more comprehensive (but still free, afaik)
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/midside ... dioteknikk
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/mstereo ... production
I can't find the one I used to use though. It may have been by Jason Breibart(spl?) before his website became ToneTools.
This one is similar, but the interface isn't as intuitive as the one I remember (which was a VST 1 plugin, iirc).
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/stereo_ ... industries
Monomaker might be worth a look. I think it only allows narrowing of the stereo field, not expansion (though that usually sounds horrible in that direction anyway).
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/dfx_mon ... electronix
A couple of others that might be more comprehensive (but still free, afaik)
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/midside ... dioteknikk
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/mstereo ... production
I can't find the one I used to use though. It may have been by Jason Breibart(spl?) before his website became ToneTools.
This one is similar, but the interface isn't as intuitive as the one I remember (which was a VST 1 plugin, iirc).
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/stereo_ ... industries
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- KVRist
- 323 posts since 2 Oct, 2002 from Finland, Europe
These are very useful M/S tools:
http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/product/mstools/
http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/product/mstools/
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- KVRAF
- 5524 posts since 5 May, 2007 from Mars Colony
Didn't come with my Juice Pack.
I don't think this does everything the FL one does, but it does a lot of it and it looks super sexy doing it:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/stereoc ... me-records
I don't think this does everything the FL one does, but it does a lot of it and it looks super sexy doing it:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/stereoc ... me-records
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- KVRAF
- 3623 posts since 5 Jan, 2006 from UK
How wierd, I got it with mine! (but then, I also got Edison with it, and I'm told IL had a screw-up but honoured the purchase for those who got it with the juice pack, so maybe that happened with the stereo shaper as well.)
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- KVRAF
- 1906 posts since 15 Oct, 2008 from Germany
I'd also recommend to have a look at the ReaPlugs suite, especially ReaJS. It has a bunch of useful stuff that you can combine to emulate the functionality of Stereo Shaper.
E.g. to replace the mixer matrix in Stereo Shaper, use utility/channelmixer,
to have channel based delays use LOSER/TimeDelayer.
[Edit] @fandango: he refers to Stereo Shaper:
E.g. to replace the mixer matrix in Stereo Shaper, use utility/channelmixer,
to have channel based delays use LOSER/TimeDelayer.
[Edit] @fandango: he refers to Stereo Shaper:
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- KVRAF
- 1906 posts since 15 Oct, 2008 from Germany
Quick question by silly me: what does the phase shifting knob actually do? I know about signal phase, comb filtering, phase cancellation and that kind of stuff. but I can't really put my finger on the concept of "phase shifting" a broadband signal. Does it mean delaying each frequency of the spectrum by angle * period? How is this done? FFT? Shouldn't stereo shaper add a (plugin) delay then?
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- KVRAF
- 6426 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
I'm guessing it's to do with Mid/Side processing which is done through phase shifting.paterpeter wrote:Quick question by silly me: what does the phase shifting knob actually do? I know about signal phase, comb filtering, phase cancellation and that kind of stuff. but I can't really put my finger on the concept of "phase shifting" a broadband signal. Does it mean delaying each frequency of the spectrum by angle * period? How is this done? FFT? Shouldn't stereo shaper add a (plugin) delay then?
That you could affect what is actually considered Mid material and Side material.
If I remember right you are summing channels to mono, and then phase shift one channel 180 degrees and sum with monosum to cancel out what is considered mid, and remainder is side material.
Something like that.
Here is an article:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov10/a ... essing.htm
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- KVRAF
- 1906 posts since 15 Oct, 2008 from Germany
Thanks, I'll read that.lfm wrote:I'm guessing it's to do with Mid/Side processing which is done through phase shifting.paterpeter wrote:Quick question by silly me: what does the phase shifting knob actually do? I know about signal phase, comb filtering, phase cancellation and that kind of stuff. but I can't really put my finger on the concept of "phase shifting" a broadband signal. Does it mean delaying each frequency of the spectrum by angle * period? How is this done? FFT? Shouldn't stereo shaper add a (plugin) delay then?
That you could affect what is actually considered Mid material and Side material.
If I remember right you are summing channels to mono, and then phase shift one channel 180 degrees and sum with monosum to cancel out what is considered mid, and remainder is side material.
Something like that.
Here is an article:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov10/a ... essing.htm
I doubt this is a mid/side thing, though as it also works with a signal without side content. And it definitively isn't a simple polarity inversion.
I've tried the phase shift knob on a (stereo) square wave where L=R, ie. no side content. It changes the shape of the wave on the affected channel, but not the spectrum it generates. If I try it on a sine, the sine wave is simply moved back in time (=delayed) with respect to the unaffected channel. So I guess my idea that the knob delays each frequency/partial by a different amount could be correct.
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- KVRAF
- 6426 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
Thanks, I'll read that.paterpeter wrote: I'm guessing it's to do with Mid/Side processing which is done through phase shifting.
That you could affect what is actually considered Mid material and Side material.
If I remember right you are summing channels to mono, and then phase shift one channel 180 degrees and sum with monosum to cancel out what is considered mid, and remainder is side material.
Something like that.
Here is an article:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov10/a ... essing.htm
I doubt this is a mid/side thing, though as it also works with a signal without side content. And it definitively isn't a simple polarity inversion.
I've tried the phase shift knob on a (stereo) square wave where L=R, ie. no side content. It changes the shape of the wave on the affected channel, but not the spectrum it generates. If I try it on a sine, the sine wave is simply moved back in time (=delayed) with respect to the unaffected channel. So I guess my idea that the knob delays each frequency/partial by a different amount could be correct.[/quote]
I guess all that is left is - RTFM
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- KVRAF
- 6828 posts since 28 Apr, 2004 from france
HiIm' biased, but here are 3 bands of stereo spreading goodness, with M/S features
http://www.delamancha.co.uk/thr33some.htm
http://www.delamancha.co.uk/thr33some.htm
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