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by Baniev; Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:16 am
http://soundcloud.com/radish2/sunrays-i ... d-building
However I think it sounds good and even I still don#t know properly how to write melodies in the FL Studio piano roll. It is not so much about the notes used, since I know how a note will sound, but the big problem is the rythm. The FL Studio piano roll has 12 steps to enter until it is splitted and the next "beat" starts. Maybe I see the border and try to press one part of the melody into those 12 steps instead of making one part of the melody longer. When I write melodies should I use each step or should I fulfill only the steps that matter to the melody? Because I do not start msuic with a lot of ideas in my brain I just play with the piano roll and try things out until it sounds good, but maybe that is a wrong approach and I should know exactly what I am doing. Can anyone give mie tips how to use the piano roll better, so I have better command of the rythm and can create good sounding melodies faster. Listen also to my song so you know that I am not that bad, but not very good either.
by Gernburgs; Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:53 am
Part of "learning" how to make a good melody is training your brain and ears to pick up on musical patterns that "sound good" for lack of a better term.
So when you're fiddling around in the piano roll, you don't get that same instant feedback of how the notes sound together as you do when you're pressing the piano keys and get to hear how it sounds right away. This helps your brain better associate the musical intervals with the keys that you pressed.
If you're JUST programming notes, you have to play the loop again and see how it sounds, so the sonic feedback you get, as far as how the notes sound together, is somewhat delayed. It's also harder to "feel" the music, so you might get something that sounds thrown together when just trying to program a melody that sounds good. Part of making a good song or beat is imbuing the music with so9me emotionality, it helps the listener connect to the music.
But as far as the song you made, I like it. It's definitely catchy and your production technique sounds pretty good IMO.
Making good/great melodies is extremely tough for me too. Just try to "feel" where the chords/beat/bass is taking you and let the melody come out of you; sometimes when you're programming notes, it's hard not to over-think it.
by Baniev; Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:45 am
by jancivil; Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:30 pm
did you ever approach melodies before you got FL Studio?
did you ever get any experience with rhythm before you picked up the pencil tool or whatever in the piano roll?
the question asks a cart to pull a horse. How is 'FL Studio' going to obviate getting experience with melody qua melody, or rhythm qua rhythm?
"i do not even have an imagination" well that's normal for just staring out. "and just want to start programming." Why? Do you think approbation will soon follow? 'Dude, that's so cool'. People today are in such a hurry.
by sjm; Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:57 am
But writing by numbers won't make for very interesting melodies.
The melodic side of things is very basic. Stay in key and don't use many "chord" changes. So if you don't know what scales are look into that. That said, trance isn't so much about the melodies as about the structure of the song - building up and taking away. Most of it's just basic arps (octaves, fifths and a couple of additional high notes) and a pretty steady bass. It's the filters that are the key to movement.
You can't just start out with no idea and expect to be as good as a musician with years of experience. You need to practice to learn. There's no quick fix. Maybe you can look at some of the youtube tutorials or download a couple of other people's tracks to see what they do.
by Baniev; Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:03 am
by GeckoYamori; Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:23 am
by Emerald Tablet; Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:51 am
Baniev wrote:the problem is mostly, that i do not even have an imagination and just want to start programming.
When i find myself in such a state i play with presets.
by jancivil; Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:24 am
get busy with music outside of the DAW in some way.Baniev wrote:So what do you suggest?
as per rhythm, a really good way to get a grip on the fundamentals is getting what the drummer is doing.
You could listen to what you are into and on a tabletop or slapping your leg, anything and act like you're doing the drum part. listen to a drum part and try to detect how often the kick, the hat, the snare are hit; parse it out in your mind and make your body do one part, then add another part.
the rhythm in what you want to do right now is just simply dividing things by two. The most basic: hihat part might be eight times a bar straight up, the bass and snare alternate quarters.
syncopation is mentioned, that's doing things between the quarters, typically going into the next subdivision, 16ths.
The third of a group of four sixteenths for instance, in the hihat, right before the snare backbeat.
in the public library here there are actually books that lay out popular rhythms.
but if you are coming out of the blue, clicking around a piano roll is just too random and you'll waste time and energy you ought to be using to get a foundation in musical activity.
by Trakstar; Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:28 am
by jancivil; Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:37 am
trakstar, you're grabbing other people's midis and 'selecting and deleting', in place of creating.
I cannot see what kind of melodic FLOW comes out of that actitivity. Melody is something you hear and bring out through your voice or another instrument. The path to that is playing or singing melodies. It really is. You may prefer not, it might be too hard... but you're not writing melodies, you're playing a kind of game, as if to get around the work of learning how to come up with something by your own hand. You've chosen crutches instead of taking baby's first steps.