Plug-ins, Hosts, Apps,
Hardware, Soundware
Developers
(Brands)
Videos Groups
Whats's in?
Banks & Patches
Download & Upload
Music Search
KVR
   
KVR Forum » Effects
Thread Read
Are we close to getting plugin compressors that sound like real ones?
Goto page 1, 2, 3 ... 19, 20, 21  Next
jariya
KVRer
- profile
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:23 am reply with quote
I realize this is a difficult question to ask and to answer. Let me try to explain. In terms of EQs, it seems (to me) that many musicians / engineers who contribute to various forums support the general view that developers have gotten really close to matching their outboard equivalents. But, not so with compressors …at least not yet.

One reason that I bring this up is because of the good work that is being done regarding console and tape emulations (UAD, Toneboosters, and most recently SlateDigital's VTM). Given the more thorough analysis behind our understanding of how such real world equipment works, why our ears appreciate the qualities they impart to sound, and improvements in algorithm design, it should be no surprise that "better" plugins are the result.

Also, I realize that some of the quality differences can be appreciated only once the entire signal chain is upgraded as well - better converters, speakers, etc.

I've also noticed new developers appearing on the public scene with their take on compressors, and meeting with positive reactions. I've tried several of the latest offerings, but I'm not yet convinced. I have too many already, and I'm a bit tired of being disappointed. Let's say I'm in the market for a quality plugin compressor that "feels, behaves and sounds" like it could exist in the real world. Now, I know that I'm treading into very subjective territory, but the analogy with EQs is there and one day should work in this case.

So, are we "almost there" with compressors? One plugin that received some good feedback about a year or so ago was the Vertigo compressor. Any others? Perhaps the new version of the UAD 1176 (although I can't test it as I no longer have access to a UAD card since I'm only working with a Windows laptop)?
^ Joined: 14 Nov 2005  Member: #87751  
sunny_j
KVRist
- profile
- pm
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:39 am reply with quote
elysia alpha
^ Joined: 08 Sep 2008  Member: #188873  
lfm
KVRAF
- profile
- pm
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:59 am reply with quote
First of all I would make a difference between compressors that claim to
- be based on hardware ones
- and those that don't.

I can put a few of Waves stuff since you forgot to mention them:

Some that I know have hardware equavalents.

CLA-76 includes both black and blue 1176 version with a switch
CLA-2A
CLA-3A
SSL E-channel
SSL G-channel
API 2500
Kramer PIE

Some from Waves that are not based on hardware

C1
C4
Renaissance Compressor

and many more.
^ Joined: 22 Jan 2005  Member: #55586  Location: Sweden
Izak Synthiemental
KVRist
- profile
- pm
- e-mail
- www
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:16 pm reply with quote
If a software compressor does what it is supposed to do without degrading the sound I'm fine with it.

Since some of the developers now have a much better understanding of what is going on in real analogue gear + the skills to recreate these processes digitally, I'm very satisfied with the choices that are out there - especially if you think of great and sophisticated plugins that are free like VOS Thrillseeker, VOS Density, TDR Feedback Comp to just name some of them...

I had the chance to demo the Tube-Tech CL 1B by Softube and though I never had the real thing, I was retty impressed with it...

Also let's face it - most of us "bedroomproducers" wouldn't be able to buy a high quality analogue hardware compressor anyways (often they start at prizes that allow you to buy a a good used car otherwise)! So why bother whether a plugin sounds 100% identical to its 3000€ hardware equivalent when it evidently does the job in a fine way???
----
http://soundcloud.com/samaritageto

Proper Education Always Corrects Errors
^ Joined: 04 Aug 2010  Member: #236871  
Resonator63
KVRAF
- profile
- pm
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:22 pm reply with quote
Elysia Alpha and Vertigo VSC-2 are about as close as it gets.
----
Anyone needing a Fabfilter friend 10% discount code? pm me for details.
^ Joined: 01 Oct 2006  Member: #122156  Location: Um! Where is this?
Aiynzahev
KVRAF
- profile
- pm
- www
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:25 pm reply with quote
Resonator63 wrote:
Elysia Alpha and Vertigo VSC-2 are about as close as it gets.


+1 These are the best I've tried. Also consider Arts Acoustic CL series. They sound very real to me.
----
Aiynzahev-sounds
Resonance Sound
Sound Designer - Soundsets for Massive, LuSH, DIVA, DUNE, Sylenth and others
^ Joined: 29 Jun 2011  Member: #259757  
Fred_Abstract
KVRist
- profile
- pm
- www
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:46 pm reply with quote
there is still a gap between , more or less depending the units and setting used...for eq the gap is as big if not more IMO
^ Joined: 27 Nov 2009  Member: #220502  
AudioGuy720
KVRist
- profile
- pm
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:12 am reply with quote
Waves API 2500 compressor is the bee's knees. Whatever that's supposed to mean.
^ Joined: 15 Jan 2009  Member: #198488  
Mutant
KVRAF
- profile
- pm
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:35 am reply with quote
Izak Synthiemental wrote:
If a software compressor does what it is supposed to do without degrading the sound I'm fine with it.


+1

My perfect software compressor just does what it is supposed to do - compresses the signal and does it without adding any unwanted "color".
----
[====[\\\\\\\\]>------,

Ay caramba !
^ Joined: 09 Oct 2004  Member: #43882  Location: Poland
jariya
KVRer
- profile
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:01 am reply with quote
Thanks everyone! Interesting comments. Yes, I had forgotten about the Elysia. By the way, I wasn't necessarily looking for an exact plugin replicate of a specific hardware unit, only wondering whether current advancements in the development area have allowed us to get really close to the behavior, feel and sound of real world units.

Here's another take on this. One could argue that 10-15 years ago plugins were "lacking" on a number of fronts. Developers were trying and we were happy to support their efforts. Fast forward to now and we can appreciate the improvements. Where might we be 10-15 years from now? I imagine that plugins will be doing really cool things and not necessarily copying hardware equivalents, but going off into new directions. I can hardly wait. Still, developers will also get closer to capturing the essence of hardware units for those that want those qualities.
^ Joined: 14 Nov 2005  Member: #87751  
HcDoom
KVRist
- profile
- pm
- e-mail
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:43 am reply with quote
Plug-in compressors have advanced so much that even the guys with best ears and experience have hard time guessing in pure tests which one is hw and which one is sw. Ofc, not all sw compressors sound good, but there are some golden ones. But, what still needs to be improved are sw eq's which emulate tube eq's, I personally think that's the next field which has to be and will be improved.
^ Joined: 18 Feb 2012  Member: #275320  
Fred_Abstract
KVRist
- profile
- pm
- www
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:03 am reply with quote
thats not really true.. take some 10 years old compressors like waves c1 or rcomp / rvox or a eq like the waves Q 10 ..gui are old but it would be re released today with a nice gui and a new name i bet everyone would get fooled.

what evolved the most is how good looking the ui are.
sound get better very slowly ,compare a plugin like the old sonalksis eq and equality for example , i can't really hear any difference that will really improve a mix
Last edited by Fred_Abstract on Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:22 am; edited 2 times in total
^ Joined: 27 Nov 2009  Member: #220502  
Ghostwave
KVRian
- profile
- pm
- e-mail
- www
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:18 am reply with quote
Have you tried Klanghelm's DC8C?
That thing is a bomb. And it's only 20 EUR!
^ Joined: 01 Mar 2010  Member: #226952  Location: Paris, FR
jariya
KVRer
- profile
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:41 am reply with quote
"...what evolved the most is how good looking the ui are..."

Ha! That made me chuckle. Good one.
^ Joined: 14 Nov 2005  Member: #87751  
MickGael
KVRAF
- profile
- pm
- www
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:56 am reply with quote
While I have several software compressors that are quite nice, in my experience, no. This is especially true when used for tracking.
----
"Time makes fools of us all. Our only comfort is that greater shall come after us." Eric Temple Bell

http://thetomorrowfile.bandcamp.com/
^ Joined: 04 Oct 2003  Member: #9515  
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

Printable version
Page 1 of 21
Goto page 1, 2, 3 ... 19, 20, 21  Next
Display posts from previous:   
ReplyNew TopicPrevious TopicNext Topic
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
Username: Password:  
KVR Developer Challenge 2012