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OXIUM -New Xils-lab synthesizer- [ Jp8 Comparison :) ]
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:48 am reply with quote
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Well people who can read will make their own opinion about your posts.

They can certainly check out the points I've raised - and I believe they are all valid - and then make up their own minds.

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I never believed you had the first real and authentic interest in Oxium, except to desperatly try to prove it sounds sOooooOOo bad. Plasticky. Noisy. With bad attacks, bad releases, bad filters

Where did I say *plasticky* or *bad* (attacks/releases)?

Btw, I do find your taking such offence to anything other than positive criticism a little odd seeing as you've never been shy of dishing it out yourself. You reap what you sow. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:54 am reply with quote
Actually, I can hear what hakey is talking about, as well. It's more apparent when the resonance isn't turned up all the way. I don't think this is all that important (I find the effect to be rather pleasant), but it IS there.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:00 am reply with quote
Howard wrote:
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...as an experienced/knowledgeable and well respected sound designer, what is your overall opinion on this synth if I may ask? Smile
Uh Uh Uh not going there - sorry!


Ohhh ok Sad

I read your comment on the filter resonance "noise" so I thought it would be interesting to know what your opinion is about other aspects of the synth too Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:01 am reply with quote
4 days left for intro price Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:17 am reply with quote
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One last question - what's going on with this white noise that's added with increased resonance [try this: set all osc gains to zero, open filter cut off fully and then slowly increase resonance - the noise becomes apparent from 50% res onwards and is still audible if you mix in some oscillator signal]

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Confused must work for Uhe too Troll
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:50 am reply with quote
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Actually, I can hear what hakey is talking about, as well. It's more apparent when the resonance isn't turned up all the way. I don't think this is all that important (I find the effect to be rather pleasant), but it IS there.


Actually it will really be related to the level you set for the oscillators in the different mixers.

Oxium is very versatile.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:45 am reply with quote
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ariston wrote:
Actually, I can hear what hakey is talking about, as well. It's more apparent when the resonance isn't turned up all the way. I don't think this is all that important (I find the effect to be rather pleasant), but it IS there.


Actually it will really be related to the level you set for the oscillators in the different mixers.


Well, it is very audible when the oscillators are effectively turned off and you're just hearing the self-resonating filter. I have absolutely no idea about the technical background, but I don't hear this white-noise-like sound in the filters of other synths (which shall go unnamed here for the sake of peace). I'm just curious: bug or feature?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:54 am reply with quote
Well imho a feature, but like we saw, some will think otherwise.

With Oxium we were not tied by the necessity to emulate this or that filter strict behaviour. So we just tuned our own filters with some settings we thought were nice sounding.

By chance, or maybe it was subliminal and subconscious, the choices we made lead to some settings matching very closely the Jupiter 8 for example, even with hi rez settings. This said, just like the gentleman who compared the two noticed it, the oscillator level does matter.

I'll make more presets with JP8 feel once I have finished my holydays. But Oxium can have its own specific colours as well, and its not restricted to the filter design : All oscillator waveforms minus square have PWM, and you can cumulate the waveforms, so all in all a lot of things concur to Oxium having a quite large sonic palette.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:22 am reply with quote
Oxium sounds very good to my ears ;

However in makes me near apoplectic to discover that the analog sound it contains has the ingredient known as Mad "white noise" Mad . Those beloved and highly regarded analog synths of yester year had pristine circuits , with absolutley inperceptible, impossibly minuscule noise floors!!! Laughing



I refuse to use DMG's compressive because it has a mixer that allows some of the dreaded and almost criminal Mad "white noise " Mad as a part of it's attempt to sound "analog"....


When I go to a Mexican restaurant around here , I always insist that they never use Mad cilantro Mad as an ingredient when making the dish of my choice .... Laughing


It's amazing ( Ok , not so much knowing human nature) What a pedantic bunch we KVR synth heads are !! We'll talk about every component and forget that in the end it's the sum of those parts that matter. it's the SOUNDS!!!


I can see now why so many synths have a solo developer .. too many cooks spoil the stew !!!

Great job on this synth XLIS . Party! Angelic




Feature request! NO cilantro in your next synth !!!!! Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:26 am reply with quote
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One last question - what's going on with this white noise that's added with increased resonance
must work for Uhe too

Nope - apart from owning some of their pretty damned good software, I have no connection to u-he whatsoever.

Btw, any ideas for the next sock name when you get the inevitable ban on this one?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:30 am reply with quote
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Those beloved and highly regarded analog synths of yester year had pristine circuits , with absolutley inperceptible, impossibly minuscule noise floors!!! Laughing

Indeed. But there's noise floors and there's noise flaws.

I don't remember any of my old analogue synths exhibiting this res>noise behaviour - certainly not to a degree where it was obvious as is the case with Oxium.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:57 am reply with quote
I'm still have a problem with the Oxium inside the MUX with the GUI open.
No other synth has this problem. The GUI needs to be fine tuned.
As I said, no other synth so far malfunctions in it, which by now, the MUX is becoming the #1 tools in my arsenal.
I'm modulating the heck out of Oxium and it's becoming a modular synth when inside the MUX, but you'll need to fix it!!!! Help
I love the sound of Oxium but...... Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:02 pm reply with quote
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Oxium sounds very good to my ears ;

However in makes me near apoplectic to discover that the analog sound it contains has the ingredient known as Mad "white noise" Mad . Those beloved and highly regarded analog synths of yester year had pristine circuits , with absolutley inperceptible, impossibly minuscule noise floors!!! Laughing
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Laughing

The slider knobs were always cracking off my ARP Omni. I only have the demo of Oxium, but so far those knobs have stayed on - great job!

I think it's a fine sounding synth. As far as the filter noise, like everyone else I can reproduce it, but I'm not sure what the big deal is - seems like the rare self-resonating patch that will be affected. With oscillators in the mix resonance at that frequency is normally just unpleasant. At any rate it's a fine sounding filter. If this were a hardware synth we'd all love it and years later discuss that "weird filter quirk" we used to get a boiling tea kettle sound with whistle.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:17 pm reply with quote
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I'm still have a problem with the Oxium inside the MUX with the GUI open.
No other synth has this problem. The GUI needs to be fine tuned.
As I said, no other synth so far malfunctions in it, which by now, the MUX is becoming the #1 tools in my arsenal.
I'm modulating the heck out of Oxium and it's becoming a modular synth when inside the MUX, but you'll need to fix it!!!! Help
I love the sound of Oxium but...... Crying or Very sad


Hi LiquidSound,

We'll have a look at this asap.

Just drove 12 hours today to come back home : Holydays are finished Shit!

More on this issue later, or on Xils forum.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:23 pm reply with quote
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ttoz wrote:

we all have different tastes, your opinion is as relevant as anyone's.

I personally think oxium sounds juicy but i can't use it anyway as i really am limiting myself to reason. But i enjoyed the demo very much.

I think as new sounds become available to showcase more of what it sounds like, the more and more it will become respected Thumbs Up!


Thanks Theo,

Too bad that you cant use it in Reason erf. Maybe an Oxium RE somewhere in the future ? Very Happy

Its already quite respected and praised, but still very young, so indeed as I also think the number of users will increase gradually, hopefully we'll be proved right.

As for sounds, there a at least three additional soundsets schedulled here and there, including one from Simon from Soundsdivine. Probably more news quite soon. Cool

Also there are already many audio demos on Xils Site that hopefully show how versatile it it ( including dozens of clips of separate instruments so you can really hear Oxium in total naked truth )

I plan to do some video tuts also asap.

LtZ


I really like the xils stuff, but i also like the general sound of alot of the arturia stuff, and i notice alot of similarities in preset browsing and have read xavier is ex arturia, correct?

Anyway, yes i hope i didn't come across wrong, of course it is already well liked, but i meant to say it really needs different preset magicians to showcase it fully, so it's good to hear some stuff is coming.

As said, i don't think oxium can run as RE as RE can not use SSE instructions right now so i think oxium is too cpu hungry.

I had a few xchanges with Xavier over email and my opinion was to him to just wait a bit till the RE SDK was more mature.

Sure, i would buy any xils product as an RE without thought, but i will only buy one.. that's what i do now, i don't buy *everything* like i used to, i am learning to limit:)

so if i had to choose one, i think it would be poly KB. i don't know there is just something about that one that gives me goose bumps.. the actual; "sound".. hope you know what i mean.

Oxium can be shrunk and fit better in re rack though and still sounds great to me, especially for juicy pads and leads.

Synthix is far too complicated fore RE i think , sadly..

cheers!

p.s A complex synth sound like this would be really quite unique in reason, it would be a perfect complement to thor (which is wonderful but totally different sound)

I am pretty good at guessing what people want, and i think it would be a huge hit in the reason community Smile
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