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Blamsoft VK-1 Viking synth Rack Extension for Reason

VST, AU, etc. plug-in Virtual Instruments discussion

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IncarnateX
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Postby IncarnateX; Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:49 pm

TheoM wrote:i am just curious, at present, with what's currently *available* on any virtual platform, what do you consider to bt eh standard or "king of" analog virtual synths? TIA :)


Hi Theo
Answer: No one in particular. Depends on your needs. :wink:
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Numanoid
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Postby Numanoid; Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:40 am

TheoM wrote:the blamsoft guy is a pretty nasty piece of work, so, he can take the pole he's got permanently shoved up his ass and keep it there afaiac.


I don't know about that, seems he has a decent sense of humour

Blamsoft wrote:One of Blam's crowning achievements during the Blamco years was his 64 pole Staircase filter design. While other companies were skimping on poles, Blam was not willing to settle for anything but perfection. He was once once quoted as saying, "Boatloads? I'll use oceans if I have to!", when criticized about the number of BJTs in his design. Unfortunately, the hefty price tag, large size, and +/-5kHz temperature variation prevented the filter from being widely adopted. But Blam's basic filters, synthesizers, and guitar pedals fared better, eventually achieving a cult like status among his dedicated following.


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eXode
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565 posts since 2 Jun, 2004, from Tellus

Postby eXode; Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:55 am

IncarnateX wrote:
eXode wrote:So what, am I not entitled to an opinion different from yours?


Sure mate. I was just commenting from my point of view. You know, to exhange opinions in mutual respect and not to get you down. But most of all to provide a challenge to those that think DIVA can sound like a real analogue synth and that does not necessarily include you. Sorry if it came out any other way.


Of course, we all have different tastes. I mean even the Moog users argue about the sound between different revisions of the Model D, or differences between Model D and Voyager. Same can be said about Prophet 5 rev.2 vs rev.3 :)

My original intention though is that people should think twice before paying for this synth when Thor (imho) comes close. But I guess that's what the trial is for... :)
Dogboy73
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1095 posts since 29 Jan, 2004, from UK

Postby Dogboy73; Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:47 am

eXode wrote:My original intention though is that people should think twice before paying for this synth when Thor (imho) comes close.

Fine. But you've completely ignored the phenomenon known as GAS ;) Plus I think the fact this is modelled on a Voyager is just as appealing to a lot of people as how it actually sounds. So, GAS multiplied by Moog Voyager emulation RE divided by 'can these sounds already be done in Reason' plus yummy GUI equals lots of Viking appeal and sales for Blamsoft ;) I'm buying this one I think.
danfarmer1973
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Postby danfarmer1973; Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:39 am

I like the immediacy of the VIKING, I do prefer its interface to that of Thor. Which I understand is more powerful than Viking's, but I just never took to it for some reason.
fceramic
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Postby fceramic; Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:32 am

You have to do a lot to make Thor do what Viking does. Oscillator drift, envelope shape, stereo filter etc. and I have no idea how Thor could pull off that great FM sound or cover 3 oscillators + a vintage sounding noise generator (without needing a second Thor). And all this is wrapped up in a very nifty interface. To my ears Thor has always sounded rather cold and digital and I would never use it for bass sounds.
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Numanoid
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Postby Numanoid; Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:43 am

fceramic wrote:To my ears Thor has always sounded rather cold


With a name like Thor, you expect the synth to have a home in the far north :D
eXode
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Postby eXode; Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:19 am

Nevermind
anzatzi
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Postby anzatzi; Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:29 pm

The is an interesting synth, which imo sounds totally different from
any exode thor patches. I think people love the name "moog", but then
are disappointed by the classic rock vibe of the patches. The presets
on this recall Yes, Emerson Lake and Palmer, etc. I am resonably sure the
kwaftwerk sounds could be coaxed. It is much more aggressive than than the Steinberg Model D.
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Halma
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Postby Halma; Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:45 am

fceramic wrote:... To my ears Thor has always sounded rather cold and digital and I would never use it for bass sounds.


Funny because I think THOR can sound pretty warm especially for bass sounds. Tweak the drive settings (I wonder why so few people use this slider) on the LP filter either in mode I or II, use 3 of them in serial (maybe the statevariable as a HP set to 30 Hz as second) and you should be done.

Btw on Gearlutz someone did a "guess what synth is this" blind test thread a while ago and mostly everyone favored THOR.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/549219-guess-synth-again-part-2-a.html
eXode
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Postby eXode; Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:48 am

Yes, rather cold. I guess the "cold" should be easy to spot then. ;)

http://soundcloud.com/exodesound/synth-blind-test
danbroad
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1093 posts since 1 Jan, 2004, from England

Postby danbroad; Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:22 am

Have Moog noticed yet? Have their lawyers?
11, 418th in line to the KVR throne
Dogboy73
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1095 posts since 29 Jan, 2004, from UK

Postby Dogboy73; Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:14 pm

Halma wrote:
fceramic wrote:... To my ears Thor has always sounded rather cold and digital and I would never use it for bass sounds.


Funny because I think THOR can sound pretty warm especially for bass sounds. Tweak the drive settings (I wonder why so few people use this slider) on the LP filter either in mode I or II, use 3 of them in serial (maybe the statevariable as a HP set to 30 Hz as second) and you should be done.

Btw on Gearlutz someone did a "guess what synth is this" blind test thread a while ago and mostly everyone favored THOR.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/549219-guess-synth-again-part-2-a.html

That was me. I've taken the files down now but I remember that most people thought Thor was the best / most analogue sounding!! :? I did a similar test on SoundCloud (removed that file just a couple of days ago as it goes!). It was a surprising result that just said to me that most people don't even really know what analogue sounds like or what makes it supposedly sound better than VA / soft synth. People would pick the sound that they thought sounded the 'most analogue'. In many cases that was Thor! Go figure :?
Dogboy73
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Postby Dogboy73; Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:21 pm

danbroad wrote:Have Moog noticed yet? Have their lawyers?

I did wonder this myself, given that it's such a blatant rip-off down to the last detail. All it's missing is the Moog logo! It does make you wonder, if this wasn't CLEARLY an emulation of the Moog Voyager then would people even be comparing the two?! People would certainly be saying, 'it's a great sounding synth', and things like, 'it sounds very analogue'. But the first bite is with the eye & often this is the main pull of software emulations of vintage (or not so vintage in the case of the Voyager) analogue hardware. Some might sound very little like the hardware they're emulating. But if they look like them people are drawn in like moths to a flame!
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Halma
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Postby Halma; Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:32 am

Dogboy73 wrote: That was me. I've taken the files down now but I remember that most people thought Thor was the best / most analogue sounding!! :? I did a similar test on SoundCloud (removed that file just a couple of days ago as it goes!). It was a surprising result that just said to me that most people don't even really know what analogue sounds like or what makes it supposedly sound better than VA / soft synth. People would pick the sound that they thought sounded the 'most analogue'. In many cases that was Thor! Go figure :?


Well, that is one of the problems nowadays. All those cats want to sound as analog as possible but often they don't have a clue about the "analog sound". Back in the days everybody tried to sound as clean as possible (e.g. no hum, good signal to noise ratio etc).

Anyway, I think that the people chosed those synths that sounded the most pleasent to their ears. And most of the time they thought that those must be analogueish too.

And thank you for the tests and mentioning to tweak the drive parameters. I think that a lot of people don't use their utilities to the maximum (I hope that makes sense). As a Reason user I always felt that working within a closed system (e.g. no VST support) it gave me a lot of freedom to experiment with those limitations. It made me a better producer in finding workarounds for specific tasks. And as a oldschool guy I was always hanging around with my buddies in their studios in the 90s and I think that working with hardware is similar like working in reason because hardware has their limitations too.

Cheers

Sebastian
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