small correction :
m4l follows Lives' plugin buffer size.. not the audio cards' buffer size.
but live supposedly compensates for that. (by adding latency)

why don't you try for yourself ?
instead of following some strangers' cue in the forums.
I'm betting you heard a lot of pros/cons... (every app has those)

why choose to go with the "cons"?

like Bob Dylan said:
"you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows..."
food for thought...

is it out yet? oh no.. march-ish 2013.. i'll check back in march then.

as you were.

That's not Ableton says. They say it follows the audio buffer. I've asked why it doesn't follow the plug-in buffer but I didn't get a response. Where did you hear this?

For balancing latency and performance. page 197 of the manual.

My manual doesn't have this. Neither live 8 nor live 9. What manual are you looking in? The only place I can find those words in the Live manual are: "The CPU Preferences contain a Plug-In Buffer Size setting for balancing plug-in latency and performance. Here you can set the number of samples processed at any one time by the plug-in. Higher settings may result in a noticeable performance increase but will also result in higher latencies."

Are you reading the Max for Live manual? I don't have that.

I have not found anywhere that this is mentioned in any documentation or online at all. The official word has been that Max 4 Live devices latency is equal to your audio buffer.

Direct quote from an Ableton employee on that:
"Max runs its own scheduler and this means that messages sent to Max need to be buffered (just like VST/AU plugins need a plugin buffer of a certain size). The buffer size for Max devices is currently bound to the size of Live's audio buffer."



However apparently it can be worse. Example:
http://cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=41496

I think we've clearly defined how PDC works (and doesn't work) in Live 8. Is it fixed (or not) in Live 9 -- that's the real question. Abelton aren't saying publicly prior to the release of 9. I guess we wait.

+1

Interesting, even DeadMau5 in the latest Electronic Musician magazine article complained about Ableton's PDC implementation as being crappy.

Is there a link? That outta be brought to the abes attention. You'd think someone like that wouldn't be alone, must be a horde of people in high places that are complaining about it.

live 9 beta testers, have confirmed PDC is in live 9 (with pictures to prove it)

I just read the latest magazine that stopped by my door yesterday. Actually the DeadMau5 interview was good, this guy knows what he's talking about, speaking of moving kicks 1 millisecond early to get the attack before compressors kick in and so on... I suspected he would not have liked Live's sloppy PDC implementation and it was indeed true. BT would also think the same, I would assume.

Thanks for the info. I doubt I'll ever read it but it's good to know.

What do you mean by this? PDC has been in Live for much longer than V9, however it is unchanged in V9 so far (it doesn't compensate for automation and synced effects). And I'm beta testing btw.