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How can I get a nice deep Chorus bass like this? Don't know what Im doing wrong!

How to make that sound...

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shubelo
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68 posts since 28 Feb, 2012, from Australia

Postby shubelo; Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:07 am How can I get a nice deep Chorus bass like this? Don't know what Im doing wrong!

Hey guys, I've been playing around on soft synths for a while manly just to lean and replicate tracks I'm interested in. Making few track myself but get the pleaser out of playing synth sounds and beats.

Hoping some of you guys might be able to help get a similar sound to the lead basslines in these particular tracks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsZJxT6VW9Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbFfRhCAiTE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs1WLCIrMCQ

I have been playing around with similar sounds such as this one mini moog v and TAL juno plug in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYpTbEi0j9k

But I cant get that nice wide saturated chorusy and filter cutoff/AMP like the other one. Mine been ''sharper'' and more ''crispy'' compared to there ''groan'' and ''lushes'' sounds. Is there any tricks to getting the sound like that. all the tracks bass sound so similar that I guessing they all applying very similar techniques. Maybe these to plug ins are limited? would a ploy 6 or poly ana plug in get a better result?? Can I go further with a the chorus technique? Im using the TAL juno and ableton chorus. just not sure what to do!!
Tijl
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143 posts since 28 Feb, 2008

Postby Tijl; Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:49 pm

post an example of how far you got

They are all pretty straight forward saw-based bass patches with the usual filtering and amp env, but i'm guessing you got that far already.

too crisp etc.; try using a tape simulator, that might take away some of the harshness, crispyness etc + it'll add saturation

other than that, i found that putting (high passed) reverb on the bass helps. I put it as an insert and put a compressor after that so the reverb becomes a part of the sound, rather than an added effect. Might get you a little closer :)
shubelo
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68 posts since 28 Feb, 2012, from Australia

Postby shubelo; Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:02 am

Tijl wrote:post an example of how far you got

They are all pretty straight forward saw-based bass patches with the usual filtering and amp env, but i'm guessing you got that far already.

too crisp etc.; try using a tape simulator, that might take away some of the harshness, crispyness etc + it'll add saturation

other than that, i found that putting (high passed) reverb on the bass helps. I put it as an insert and put a compressor after that so the reverb becomes a part of the sound, rather than an added effect. Might get you a little closer :)





Hey mate.

So this is what I've got.

The first few bars are a korg poly 6 and the second the TAL u no LX (juno 106).


http://soundcloud.com/weredeux/saw-bass/s-Z8Skj


I think the sound is some where in between those two, but cant get it

The chain for the poly 6 is:

TAL chours (Juno type chorus)

HP EQ

smallest amount of reverb


The TAL U No LX chain is:

HP EQ

a return with the smallest amount of reverb and delay.

From what I have read all the synths that should be able to produce this sound I have failed, The poly 6 is the closest I've came. WTF!

I've tried:

MS20
Minimoog
TAL Juno
Sylenth1
DIVA

I spend some time on them all to, and get some nice sounds that are pretty close! I feel like Im missing something in all this

Think poly 6 gets pretty slow this time maybe its the way in witch it can be played, I used the Doctor dru - 2 know you for my loop but can you tell me what is doing to get that bendy sound in his notes. pitch bend? is it just playing a couple of notes at a time because it sounds different to that??
Tijl
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143 posts since 28 Feb, 2008

Postby Tijl; Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:52 am

i got relatively close to the dr dru example using the polysix starting from the preset that pops up when you open it

I messed around with it a bit and added some tape saturation, drive, basic eq, small delay and reverb and a compressor in the end

I could send you the preset if you want

here's what I got;

http://www38.zippyshare.com/v/25943548/file.html

first loop is dr dru, second one is mine
shubelo
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68 posts since 28 Feb, 2012, from Australia

Postby shubelo; Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:46 pm

Tijl wrote:i got relatively close to the dr dru example using the polysix starting from the preset that pops up when you open it

I messed around with it a bit and added some tape saturation, drive, basic eq, small delay and reverb and a compressor in the end

I could send you the preset if you want

here's what I got;

http://www38.zippyshare.com/v/25943548/file.html

first loop is dr dru, second one is mine



Yeah that would be great if you have time mate. Did you put the delay and reverb on a return with the compressor or on the direct channel
shubelo
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68 posts since 28 Feb, 2012, from Australia

Postby shubelo; Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:24 pm

Im curious to know how similar these two tracks are to the first ones. They sounds pretty much the same. I've tried closing the the cutoff more and turning up the res but it doesn't sound like thats jsut it.

Do you think these some difference in the in AMP or filter Cutoffs. I cant really tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkImfUtmhD8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnlEWhOVaic


They sound a little more ''bass guitary'' to me. The pluck and body of sound.

Hope this ins't pushing it but I am trying all things before I ask and I would really like to know.


Cheers
Tijl
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143 posts since 28 Feb, 2008

Postby Tijl; Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:26 am

I think one of the main differences in those two is unison / detuning of the oscilators to get that wider / looser sound.

anyway: preset + midi; http://www11.zippyshare.com/v/80294465/file.html

delay and reverb were added as inserts in this case

Just check out the other presets in those emulations too, there's lots of them that get you those kinds of basses with very little adjustments needed
shubelo
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68 posts since 28 Feb, 2012, from Australia

Postby shubelo; Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:55 am

Cool thanks to the patch mate will give it a go tomorrow!
TeodorDumitrache
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18 posts since 1 Aug, 2012, from Brasov, Romania

Postby TeodorDumitrache; Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:44 am

The difference to me sounds like it would be like stated before, the unison and the level of the SubOsc. Tweak around with the waveforms too, do combinations of Square + Saw, mess with the EG Intensity, Cutoff and Resonance, and lastly spice it with some effects, mastering, very faint convultion reverbs, everything you can try. :wink:
shubelo
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68 posts since 28 Feb, 2012, from Australia

Postby shubelo; Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:52 am

Thanks for all the info. Very helpful. Im trying out different saturators ATM. Abletons is pretty sweet but I liking the PSP Saturator
cron
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2140 posts since 27 Dec, 2002, from London

Postby cron; Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:48 am

My ear isn't the best for this kind of thing, but I think some of those basses are being played in fifths. Either that or the saturation/osc sync/filter resonance/whatever is strongly emphasising the third harmonic of the bass which sits an octave and a fifth above the fundamental.

Try tuning one oscillator an octave and a fifth higher than the other. That's +19 semitones (or + 1 octave and 7 semitones if your synth has separate controls for the two). Send both into the same filter with that low cutoff. Tried it this end and got nice results.
shubelo
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68 posts since 28 Feb, 2012, from Australia

Postby shubelo; Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:21 pm

cron wrote:My ear isn't the best for this kind of thing, but I think some of those basses are being played in fifths. Either that or the saturation/osc sync/filter resonance/whatever is strongly emphasising the third harmonic of the bass which sits an octave and a fifth above the fundamental.

Try tuning one oscillator an octave and a fifth higher than the other. That's +19 semitones (or + 1 octave and 7 semitones if your synth has separate controls for the two). Send both into the same filter with that low cutoff. Tried it this end and got nice results.


Will give it a go mate
ithinkm0
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6 posts since 6 Jan, 2013

Postby ithinkm0; Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:53 am

Niche thread!
Tijl i want to ask you for what synth the fpx file are.

by the way i like your loop more than the original


And maybe some body have new results to share with us.

ps: similar bass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSI5MI_oyXw
greetings ithinkm0
Last edited by ithinkm0 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:30 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Tijl
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143 posts since 28 Feb, 2008

Postby Tijl; Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:03 pm

the fxp is for the korg polysix vsti
shubelo
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68 posts since 28 Feb, 2012, from Australia

Postby shubelo; Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:01 pm

Hey ithinkm0,

The closest Ive come is still with Tijl patch and played around with it some more. Its pretty much the same when I play it over the doctor dru bass. But its a different game when your making your own beats. ( as expected )

Ive just got back from holidays so haven't had the time to try out what cron said about basses being played in fifths. I might give that a go today and will report back.
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