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I still love ACID HOUSE!

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ZenPunkHippy
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Postby ZenPunkHippy; Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:48 am

Well spotted!

http://youtu.be/Ssu9PE20RvE

Psychic TV must have ripped it from some classic dub track :)
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Postby Goratrix; Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:43 am

lofty wrote:interesting to learn about where the music makers were coming from - sometimes referencing rock, acid/prog rock and euro synth stuff like italodisco


The House/Techno/Acid scenes owe a lot to early italo... listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv1mx3c-f_Y

It's from 1983, way before anyone in Chicago had any idea about house music.
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Postby ghettosynth; Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:50 am

Goratrix wrote:
lofty wrote:interesting to learn about where the music makers were coming from - sometimes referencing rock, acid/prog rock and euro synth stuff like italodisco


The House/Techno/Acid scenes owe a lot to early italo... listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv1mx3c-f_Y

It's from 1983, way before anyone in Chicago had any idea about house music.


No, not really. The warehouse started in 1977 and closed in 1983. With the exception of a few key tracks, Italo was largely unsuccessful outside of Europe and really came into its own in the mid eighties alongside house. What's probably more correct is to say that both genres were heavily influenced by Disco and the explosion of available electronic instruments, notably, sequencers and drum machines.

To the extent that genres are important, italo isn't house, it's closer to pop and has distinctly different ethno-cultural roots, i.e. Italians, not black, and/or gay Americans. This manifests distinctly in the sound and feel of the music. It wasn't like all of a sudden Jessie Saunder's track is IT and everything else is out. The clubs were playing dance music that was similar. House evolved from Electro Funk and disco, staples of the black and gay club scenes of the time. Italo evolved from New Wave and disco, staples of the europoean club scene.

Electro Funk circa 1980

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2PH_21hkfE

Here's an interesting video from 83/84 of an overview of the NY music scene. Towards the end you hear "garage."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1hQcFXSWkQ


In short, italo disco and house came into the spotlight at about the same time in different places around the globe. Both genres were influenced by the past and had similarities, but, to the best of my knowledge, italo-disco had minimal impact on the early house producers, and most likely vice-verse, largely because of geographic distribution limitations.
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Postby K-Bee; Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:17 am

Ghettosynth,
I agree to some extent. But as I see it, House was basically US based disco without the "real" instrumentation. If you listen to what happened in the early 80s in N.Y. with labels like Prelude and West End. Their rosters consisted of artists like Raw Silk, D-Train, Sharon Redd, Leroy Burgess etc. Post-disco/funk but done electronically. Mid 80s house was basically an extension of the style, but stripped further down in terms of arrangement and instruments, some time even ditching the vocal altogether. And then came the whole Detroit scene taking things into new territories with darker sound, the whole tb-303 thing and all that.
Funnily you'll find house like ingredients way back in 70s funk and jazz from artists like Candido, Azymuth and Universal Robot Band (Another Leroy Burges vehicle btw.)

As for Italo-disco, I always saw it as evolvement of the Munich Sound pioneered by Giorgio Moroder for Donna Summer. Euro Disco is often mistaken for Italo disco but was in fact a whole other ball game. It has an orchestral sound to it and was far removed from the typical tracks that easily fit on a 7" single.
Artist like Boris Midney (USA-European Connection), Cerrone and Alec R Costandinos (Love & Kisses, Bad News Travel Fast) and not forgetting Meco Monardo (did the Rocky/Star Wars and Star Trek themes as disco versions)
...they all worked within a symphonic setting so to speak, with 20+ minute disco suites with long instrumental breaks. LPs rarely consisted of more than 3 tracks.
ghettosynth
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Postby ghettosynth; Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:25 am

K-Bee wrote:Ghettosynth,
I agree to some extent. But as I see it, House was basically US based disco without the "real" instrumentation. If you listen to what happened in the early 80s in N.Y. with labels like Prelude and West End. Their rosters consisted of artists like Raw Silk, D-Train, Sharon Redd, Leroy Burgess etc. Post-disco/funk but done electronically.


I don't disagree with any of this, although, you are way more familiar with early labels than I am. If you're saying that electro (early, not current) had less specific influence, you may be right, although, I would say that the ethno-cultural origins cannot be ignored. Disco had become quite homogenized by the eighties. In fact, listening to D-Train/Sharon Redd today makes me cringe.

What was clear to me, simply, is that house evolved largely from the dance music of the day that was popular with the DJs and artists in U.S. clubs, and not from European music of the same time frame. Of course, much earlier European music like Kraftwerk may have been influential at some point.

I think that people hear common elements between genres and incorrectly assume that temporal order implies that the latter borrowed from the former without considering geographical or cultural limitations, or, in fact, simply the time that it takes for ideas to propagate. Further, genre differences are often subtle, just because something is 4/4 and electronic doesn't mean that it's house. As you point out, there was quite a roster of music at the time that was much more similar to house than italo-disco.

As for Italo-disco, I always saw it as evolvement of the Munich Sound pioneered by Giorgio Moroder for Donna Summer.


Exactly. I should have mentioned Moroder.

Thanks for the detailed post.
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michat
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Postby michat; Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:43 pm

dusted william wrote:yes, I still love it!

dw


yep :-)
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hibidy
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Postby hibidy; Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:46 pm

I just got back from acid house (AKA taco bell)
dusted william
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Postby dusted william; Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:37 pm

hibidy wrote:I just got back from acid house (AKA taco bell)


I could go for a chili and cheese burrito with a side of sour right now!



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Postby K-Bee; Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:06 am

ghettosynth wrote:In fact, listening to D-Train/Sharon Redd today makes me cringe.

Sacrilege! :x
Whatever you do, don't visit my soundcloud page then. Surely that will kill you! :lol:

You may see electro-funk (I call it that because of the newer stuff was christened electro for some reason)as a combination of instrumental dance music rooted in the 12" instrumental b-sides of disco singles (think: Larry Levan re-edits) combined with that happened in the early hip-hop culture. Add to that the fascination of technology, sci-fi, robots etc. The whole thing strived to be as mechanical as possible ultimately ending up with electric boogie.

When It comes to house, it's rooted in the same things as electro funk in terms of musical ingredients. However, it evolves and ends up putting emphasis on melodic content and (sometimes) singing, thus borrowing a lot from the vocally based disco and soul/funk of the 70s. It just feels more soulful than electro-funk to these ears
To confuse things even further, a lot of R&B bands of the 80s stripped down their line-up and got all busy with synths, vocoders, drum-machines and sci-fi and robotic lyrics, while keeping the swung 8th notes and general 70s funk feel. Con Funk Shun, Griffin, Midnight Star, the 80s incarnation og The Bar-Kays & Michael Jonzun were among those.
ghettosynth wrote:I would say that the ethno-cultural origins cannot be ignored

True, they have a lot to do with how music sounds but that has been the case since the Gregorian chanting. However, electrofunk, disco and house has much to do with demographics, sexuality, lifestyle, substance abuse and geographical locations as well. Hence the Chicago house, Detroit Scene, The Philadelphia based orchestral and very soulful disco style (Gamble & Huff), Munich Disco, UK house/Rave/Acid House etc...
Damn, this is a complex topic if there ever was one. But once I get going I just can't stop. This is what I know and love! But I can't drive a car! :lol:
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Postby musikmachine; Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:32 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKbLI8EufNo
This is what they did with a 303 and a drum machine back in the early days of the acid house movement.
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Postby taoyoyo; Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:50 pm

Nielzie wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GORuTT30NqM

Back in the days when I was a little kid and heard that song for the first time on a cassette tape of my sister, I was like : "WTF?! :shock: This is pretty cool stuff! 8) "

Man, I'm old..


This is still a classic... but:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMSap7ZbJA0

same song... completely wrong setting. Ouch!

(Track written by one half of FSOL, btw)
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michat
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Postby michat; Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:37 pm

musikmachine wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKbLI8EufNo
This is what they did with a 303 and a drum machine back in the early days of the acid house movement.


Oh yes, phuture.

Times Fade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XH89BlGBWo

:love:
Circumflex & Efate - Wir fliegen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb2WO3TjDac
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