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by kenobi77; Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:26 am
I uninstalled my exisitng version first and then installed the 1.4.1 version, it differs in that it suggest to put the VST and shortcuts (Windows 7 user here) into the foler "SPL" and not "Plugin Alliance"...think this was an update to all there plugins recenlty. I changed the defaults to put it to the Plugin Alliance folder as before.
I've closed my Ableton down and re-opened it and it still seems to function well.
The URL for the old downloads is http://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/legacy.html
I downloaded the spl_twintube_pa_win_1_4_1.zip file.
by bmanic; Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:07 pm
Not sure about the sound yet.. might be placebo. I'll do some renders and invert phase to check sound.
by kylen; Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:17 pm
I tried installing Presonus Studio One Demo, got the same problem with TwinTube 1.5.1 - about 25% cpu per instance till the 4th one went over 100% in the Studio One Perf monitor and got a gawd-awful ugly sound. It also installed VST3 and VST 2.4 versions of TwinTube , I think I was using VST3 of TwinTube. Not sure which I was using in Reaper.
Anyway - gotta get some dog-food, will try 1.4.1 later - sounds like an interesting development!
by bmanic; Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:21 pm
1.5.1 sounds quite a bit better. My guess is that it's 4x oversampled or something compared to 1.4.1. I've phase cancelled them and at various identical settings (you can install both plugins side by side, just make sure you rename the .dll file of one of them before installing the other). The difference seems to be program dependent (meaning they probably tweaked the algorithm or something) and ranges around -40dBFS to -60dBFS. This is a significant difference and you can clearly hear how transients are treated differently from one another (by listening to the residue of the phase cancellation.. aka the difference).
Interesting things.. unfortunately this means going back to 1.4.1 isn't really an option, unless you happen to like the sound of that one more (I don't).
by bmanic; Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:23 pm
HcDoom wrote:TwinTube works flawlessly here. Win 7 64bit, S1 Pro 2.5!
You might want to check what version of TwinTube you are using. Version 1.4.1 was the old one and it sounds different to the new 1.5.1 version which has the CPU bug.
There's also a significant difference in CPU usage of the two. 3 times more for the new version, which might be explained by 4 times oversampling.
If I have time I'll run it through Christian budde's analyzer. That should verify if the algorithm has changed or if it's only a matter of oversampling.
by ariston; Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:30 pm
Have to wait for them to stamp out that bug.
by bmanic; Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:56 pm
Here's the original clip I was tweaking just for fun. One of my old test tracks, really crappy recording and mix.
Here's the exact same track after messing around with all my new plugin-alliance toys and Studio Devil VTP. This is after about 20 minutes of tweaking and having fun.
All done on my crappy laptop and completely non-flat Bose noise cancelling headphones.. so this might be horrible and completely over the top but it should illustrate a point.
by kenobi77; Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:53 am
ariston wrote:Just got a reply... they're calling it a "fresh" bug and say that they'll look into it right away.
Sounds good to me, great to get a quick answer.
Good to hear, the relase notes date the latest release as 31st Oct 2012, strange how this hasn't been picked up before.