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Why do some freeware developers say "Don't use this plugin for commercial music" ?

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@midnight
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1584 posts since 22 Apr, 2011, from The House of Zaid

Postby @midnight; Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:28 pm Why do some freeware developers say "Don't use this plugin for commercial music" ?

I never understood why some freeware developers say "Don't use these plugins for commercial music" on their license agreements.

So they only want people who like to play with plugins at home to use their software? Or people who just make demos and stuff?

Why wouldn't they want professional musicians to use their product?
Has anybody ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
kmonkey
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3235 posts since 17 Aug, 2004

Postby kmonkey; Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:33 pm

Which one say that?

Really stupid if true..
quayquay17
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539 posts since 17 Apr, 2009, from portland oregon

Postby quayquay17; Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:32 pm

It is sometimes the case with donationware..
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Jafo
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1610 posts since 20 Dec, 2002, from State of Denial

Postby Jafo; Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:39 pm

Many reasons, some good and some bad, but the one I like best is wanting to encourage a culture of sharing one's labors selflessly.
"Wait... loot then burn? D'oh!"
@midnight
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1584 posts since 22 Apr, 2011, from The House of Zaid

Postby @midnight; Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:37 pm

Yeah but I mean if everybody did that there would be no economy/industry and everybody would be living in caves and there would be no computers etc...

Isn't it a compliment if a professional musician chooses to use your software?
Has anybody ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
monas
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164 posts since 26 Sep, 2012, from bavaria

Postby monas; Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:37 pm

i can totally understand that some free developers don't want their work to be used in advertising or in any corporate context. i doubt anyone will have a problem with an artist using it on an album though. if in doubt just drop the developer a line and ask.
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Andywanders
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2229 posts since 3 Aug, 2003, from Narnia

Postby Andywanders; Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:53 pm

@midnight wrote:I never understood why some freeware developers say "Don't use these plugins for commercial music" on their license agreements.


For example..?
Jafo
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1610 posts since 20 Dec, 2002, from State of Denial

Postby Jafo; Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:25 pm

@midnight wrote:Isn't it a compliment if a professional musician chooses to use your software?

Well, not for/to everybody. Some people value artistry higher than money and believe that the music industry is harmful to music. Some people want to do something unselfish and clean. Some people just plain loathe commerce altogether. Some devs write plugs to impose their metaphysics on their users. As I wrote, there are lots of good and bad reasons.

Still, it's no big deal. If you don't like a license (and why should you have to?) just choose a different plug and go make some music. It's not like we aren't awash in a sea of suitable alternatives.
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Jafo
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1610 posts since 20 Dec, 2002, from State of Denial

Postby Jafo; Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:27 pm

Andywanders wrote:
@midnight wrote:I never understood why some freeware developers say "Don't use these plugins for commercial music" on their license agreements.


For example..?

tbt's tls 3127 and 2095 come to mind.
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Full Bucket
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189 posts since 25 May, 2010, from Hanau, Germany

Postby Full Bucket; Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:49 pm

@midnight wrote:Yeah but I mean if everybody did that there would be no economy/industry and everybody would be living in caves and there would be no computers etc...

Hmmm, but if everybody would use freeware plug-ins there would be no economy/industry and everybody would be living in caves and there would be no computers etc... :D

Hey, I'm offering freeware myself, I shouldn't have said this... :lol:

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sin night
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525 posts since 1 Aug, 2006, from Italy

Postby sin night; Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:08 am

On the latest "CM plugins" there's a doc called "Terms of Use.rtf" which states:

The supplied software is provided free of charge with Computer Music magazine. Any software supplied, including access codes and free trial codes, is for your personal use only and must not be sold, used for commercial purposes, supplied to any third party or uploaded to any websites.


I just read that yesterday evening and I wonder about that "used for commercial purposes"... :?


I don't have any income from music, so my music is (technically) non commercial; anyway I avoid everything that puts limitations on what I can do with my work.
I would be fine with paying a definite amount for commercial usage, but when a license doesn't state that and just forbids commercial usage (or puts other limitations I don't agree with), then I don't bother with that thing.
ksandvik
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363 posts since 25 Aug, 2005, from North California

Postby ksandvik; Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:16 am

That's a weird legal statement from CM. Their lawyers did a lousy job, I don't think they intended that the SW can't be used to produce commercial tracks. And if so, it's one of the most bizarre legal contracts I've seen, then. I suspect they didn't want the SW to be used in commercial situations such as being resold on DVDs or over the net, myself...
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sin night
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525 posts since 1 Aug, 2006, from Italy

Postby sin night; Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:26 am

I think so, too; anyway I think I'll write to cm to ask for clarification.
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whyterabbyt
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21475 posts since 3 Sep, 2001, from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair

Postby whyterabbyt; Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:29 am

@midnight wrote:Why wouldn't they want professional musicians to use their product?


Why would they want someone to profit from something they gave them for free?

Yeah but I mean if everybody did that there would be no economy/industry and everybody would be living in caves and there would be no computers etc...


So there'd have been no professional musicians in the first place. Problem solved, then.
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3769 posts since 15 Aug, 2006

Postby Funkybot's Evil Twin; Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:59 am

sin night wrote:On the latest "CM plugins" there's a doc called "Terms of Use.rtf" which states:

The supplied software is provided free of charge with Computer Music magazine. Any software supplied, including access codes and free trial codes, is for your personal use only and must not be sold, used for commercial purposes, supplied to any third party or uploaded to any websites.


That's basically saying the "software supplied...must not be sold, used for commercial purposes, supplied to any third party or uploaded to any websites." So yes, you can use the plugins for commercial music. No, you can't upload or sell the plugins.
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