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by rgemmell; Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:48 pm
I was an old Opcode Vision user which is now gone away. I'm not new to music production but I'm new to all the current products including Logic so I'm not committed to anything. Learning curve matters...I don't want to use the most complex product.
One strategy is I could host Logic on the laptop and network a second Windows machine as a heavy duty VST host. What do you think of this strategy? I recall a product called FXTeleport (maybe there are others). Any compatibility issues networking a Windows VST host with a Mac DAW host?
The other approach would be to just chuck the Macbook (give it to my daughter) and go buy twice the Windows machine for half the price. This would then lead me into something like Digital Performer (now that it's on Windows) or Studio One (maybe even a reincarnation of Tracktion?) with a lower cost heavy duty computer that can handle all the VSTs I want. BTW, I don't mean to set off a Windows vs. Mac thing...truth is, I'm more comfortable with Windows than the Mac OS. It's just personal preference but I will have trouble bringing myself to buy another high-priced Mac.
Thanks for any thoughts!
by jancivil; Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:18 pm
the idea of hosting the instruments - and the fx - as a different process or better yet on a different machine is tried and true. this one transcends the bit kernel and OS platform issues at once, is stable and is the most efficient. additionally jitter free etc. whatever config you wind up with using this makes the most out of your resources.
you might want to look at http://www.vsl.co.at/en/65/71/2536/2186.vsl, particularly Blake Neely who talks about his setup in the most detail.
by docdued; Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:17 am
by jancivil; Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:25 pm
it is entirely hassle-free here. it is however geared for people that require heavy virtual instrument use.
I play classical piano and will want to do lots of heavy VSTs i.e. grand piano, orchestral etc.
as an empirical matter, one will not be nearly *as* 'good to go' with a DAW as the one host as with hosting in this. It bridges there is no concern about 32 vs 64-bit, its latency compensation is amazing; you can add buffers in the server that do not add lag. you can determine the amount of cores per instance according to what you expect the load to be...
a look around this forum and you see people with all the machine in the world talking about 'freezing' their instruments. I haven't done since I'm using this.
by rgemmell; Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:57 pm
I assume I could of course not host the Mac VSTs included in Logic 9 (like ESX24, Sculpture, etc.) on a Windows machine, correct?
So the Mac VSTs would stay on the fire-wire drive attached to the Mac Pro hosting Logic?
I appreciate the attraction of just getting a really powerful Windows machine and chucking the whole Mac approach. I used to hear horror stories about weird sound card issues with Windows systems but I assume that is much less common now. I am a university professor and can get educational discounts on everything (SW/HW). The Apple discounts are ok but the bloody Mac Pros are still quite expensive.
by digitalboytn; Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:55 pm
That's why so many guys are running Hackintosh systems these days..
One of the things I like about PCs is that you can make the machine exactly how you want it...You can't so that so easily with a Mac..
Also - the price is so much lower for the same hardware !
You can just get a hub and run everything over LAN but you would need a separate audio interface for the slave DAW...
I use MIDI over LAN (http://www.nerds.de/en/ipmidi.html) and it works great...
The main event is running inside the primary DAW and the extra instruments are inside the slave computer....
by Jesse J; Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:16 pm
Run Logic/Numerology as sequencers on main Mac and two slave machines (macbook and PC) this way, plus a lot of outboard hardware. CopperLan takes care of all MIDI via Lan.
and did I mention it's free?
by docdued; Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:25 pm
by metamorphosis; Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:06 pm
rgemmell wrote:One strategy is I could host Logic on the laptop and network a second Windows machine as a heavy duty VST host. What do you think of this strategy? I recall a product called FXTeleport (maybe there are others). Any compatibility issues networking a Windows VST host with a Mac DAW host?
I don't think they ever came up with a Mac vesion of FX teleport, but that would be what you would want, unfortunately.
Wormhole is OK but you have to set it up every time, from memory - you can't just save the settings in your project and have them reload on the slave machine when you reopen that project, as it does with FX teleport.
Your other option is Reaper, which includes the Reamote plugin which does exactly the same thing as FX teleport (but probably better).
Reaper isn't too far away from logic audio, interface-wise (at least the older versions of logic), so you may feel right at home there.
by rgemmell; Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:11 pm
C-note wrote:By definition you would not want to use Reaper. Reaper + Midi = insanity. Get VSL Pro, it works and you can use it MAC+PC/PC+MAC on any major DAW
Thanks to everyone for your thoughts.
So, it looks like VSL Pro sends audio over ethernet? They call it a midi AND audio LAN - so more than just networking midi data.
It's a little expensive but would avoid routing audio back from the VST host sound card and they throw in their Epic Orchestra samples.
From their web site:
"You can easily route the audio streams of a whole arsenal of computers back to your main machine without the need of external hardware."
by c_huelsbeck; Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:18 pm
The only little downside is that it creates a bit of additional latency (about 2 buffer sizes), so if you want a tight response for live playing, your host needs to be able to run at a small buffer size (256 / 6ms or faster), otherwise it could feel a bit sluggish.
They have a fully functional demo for download, but I think you'll need a spare e-licenser (formerly known as Syncrosoft dongle or Steinberg Key) for the server part.
by jancivil; Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:38 am
those are not vsts at all, those are AUs aka .component. They will not install on a windows machine, you would have to find vst (.dll) builds of any AU.rgemmell wrote:I assume I could of course not host the Mac VSTs included in Logic 9 (like ESX24, Sculpture, etc.) on a Windows machine, correct?