padillac wrote: bmanic wrote:
So, your solution? Don't go for loudness and you can have all the sub bass in the world!
Would you say this applies mostly to mixing? As in, get the mix right without aiming for loudness, and then let a mastering engineer deal with the problem of making a sub-bassy tune loud? I know that's the general advice anyway but I'm asking specifically about the problem of getting sub-bass loud.
You can't. Period.
The more and deeper bass you have the more a limiter will choke on it or make it distort. There is no way around this fact. It's written in the unfortunate digital laws of ours.
Like I said earlier, there is only a compromise to be made. How loud do you need it? Then decide how much you can add bass. Or vice versa. Add as much bass as you need, then see how loud it gets. You can not have both massive amounts of subs and incredibly loud record. They are mutually exclusive.. that is unless you like a completely distorted mess.
If you have no problems with distortion then go as "loud" as you want. Perhaps some day we'll all listen to white noise.
Seriously though, I hope that we in the future have "intelligent" playback mediums that can automatically adjust track volume depending on material, so that everything plays at equal loudness no matter what. This is the only way to get rid of the loudness war. It'd get rid of it real quick too as the tracks that are not squashed to death would sound way more punchy and have much louder bass. There are virtually no negatives to having a track with lots of dynamic impact whereas there are massive losses to be had with squashing everything to death.