Native Instruments Reverb Classics (RC24 & RC48)
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- KVRist
- 389 posts since 22 May, 2012
I'd love to hear audio comparison done with VeeThree, LC 24/48, PCM and LX480.
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- KVRist
- 121 posts since 4 Nov, 2005
Over at GS, Casey Dowdell from Bricasti referred to these as "spot on" including the modulation on the 24. That's as good as any endorsement can get for me. The ANAL-yzer nurds can just play with their research and data tools. I'll be making music with ALL of these great tools; Valhalla, Relab, NI.
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- KVRian
- 520 posts since 22 May, 2009 from Portugal,Azores (faial island)
Liero wrote:Can you please put this into more quantifiable language? To what dbFS level does a comparison signal null?sergiofrias wrote:... was almost identical.
I ask because I've noticed that there are people here who can't hear a difference between... well, anything.
EDIT = Just by quickly testing this by ear, I can't get VVV to sound anywhere near "identical" to the RC24.
to be completely identical the algorithm would have to be the same,(same early reflections,or late reflections,decay time,same crossover slopes etc)...
for this test i disabled the early reflection on Valhalla,and used the voxengo curveEQ (as i described on my previous post)
Hear the test on soundcloud:
https://soundcloud.com/sergiofrias/valhalla-vs-rc-24
...want to know how to program great synth sounds,check my video tutorials: http://www.youtube.com/user/sergiofrias25
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
So now I'm at the stage where I'm just kinda randomly a/b'ing and so far the conclusion is WANT! But, what keep telling myself is why when VVV sounds great and it's paid for
I think I'm going to sell room though to help fund this. Not selling VVV.......yet
I think I'm going to sell room though to help fund this. Not selling VVV.......yet
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- KVRian
- 1121 posts since 6 Mar, 2004
I've been AB'ing against the lexicon native's (which are cheaper now) and am not that impressed with the NI offerings, particularly the RC48 doesn't sound as "rich" to me as the LXP hall which I have...
- KVRist
- 104 posts since 14 Sep, 2007 from Minneapolis
Agreed. But, of course, the RC48 is a 480L emulation and therefore based on 1986 algorithms. The LXP and PCM are based on their more modern algs, and enjoy almost 30 years of technical improvements. So, it's most likely the 480L we're not as impressed with.Liero wrote:I've been AB'ing against the lexicon native's (which are cheaper now) and am not that impressed with the NI offerings, particularly the RC48 doesn't sound as "rich" to me as the LXP hall which I have...
Actually, when you consider how old the 480L is, it's pretty impressive that it holds up as well as it does to Lexicon's current flagship products. They kinda nailed it.
But yeah, I agree. I compared the the PCM Native Random Hall Large to the RC48's and the PCM is much more 3d, lively and full of subtle motion. That said, I think the RC48 has just about as much "lushness" and smoothness going for it.
I'd be interested to hear a shootout between the RC48, 480LX and a real 480L.
I think I still want a 480L and even a 224 emulation for times where more 2d might be desirable. I've got some theories I'm going to be putting to the test, regarding that. Not sure yet.
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
don't worry hibidy the NI ones sound just as good as LXP in fact they are bigger and richer.. they are different.. they are specific emulations, lxp largely isn't.
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- KVRAF
- 8519 posts since 7 Apr, 2003
It's better hibidy? Seriously? ValhallaDSP makes some amazing plug-ins. Good CPU use, awesome UI, extremely generous price... Are you a reverb aficionado? The only expertise I wield with this stuff is I had a Lexicon MPX-1 (which had a pretty cool Taj Mahal preset )) and meh, it was great sounding but I don't honestly feel ValhallaDSP is not just as good as that and in the mix, I can't tell shit from shinola anyway.hibidy wrote:So now I'm at the stage where I'm just kinda randomly a/b'ing and so far the conclusion is WANT! But, what keep telling myself is why when VVV sounds great and it's paid for
I think I'm going to sell room though to help fund this. Not selling VVV.......yet
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Don't get me wrong, there is NOTHING wrong with valhalla stuff!grymmjack wrote:It's better hibidy? Seriously? ValhallaDSP makes some amazing plug-ins. Good CPU use, awesome UI, extremely generous price... Are you a reverb aficionado? The only expertise I wield with this stuff is I had a Lexicon MPX-1 (which had a pretty cool Taj Mahal preset )) and meh, it was great sounding but I don't honestly feel ValhallaDSP is not just as good as that and in the mix, I can't tell shit from shinola anyway.hibidy wrote:So now I'm at the stage where I'm just kinda randomly a/b'ing and so far the conclusion is WANT! But, what keep telling myself is why when VVV sounds great and it's paid for
I think I'm going to sell room though to help fund this. Not selling VVV.......yet
Here's what I've noticed. What putting these two on a buss and playing guitar (which I do more than anything else, poorly, but that is what I do the most ) I hear something that is even more magical than VVV.
Now, I don't use dongles, and don't have access to some of those other highly coveted verbs. But there is something about these that are instantly credible to my ears. I dunno, I'm still going to test these out a while (there is no hurry, no special offer or anything) but so far it's really enjoyable to my ears.
- KVRAF
- 7397 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
I was not impressed by these at all, VintageVerb blows these away.
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- KVRian
- 652 posts since 28 Dec, 2011 from Seattle,WA, USA
Agreed. I was going to be post that these are just over priced. They sound good but for the price the Vahalla and CSR lines are better bang for your buck imo.djanthonyw wrote:I was not impressed by these at all, VintageVerb blows these away.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Yeah, I feel the two are TOTALLY different. But really good in their own way.TheoM wrote:don't worry hibidy the NI ones sound just as good as LXP in fact they are bigger and richer.. they are different.. they are specific emulations, lxp largely isn't.
@480 (older): Interesting because to my ears, it has the "wider" more "now" sound
Ugggggggggg, everyone is different
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
I wish I felt that waydjanthonyw wrote:I was not impressed by these at all, VintageVerb blows these away.
EDIT: not that I don't feel VVV doesn't hold it's own, but blown away is not how I feel at all.
Could it be levels? You know that these have an options tab with in/out volume right? I've noticed that depending on what the settings are the NI's have to be "fed" more to be at the volume level most VVV settings are.