High quality audio morphing effect plugin, why it doesn't exist yet?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4218 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
...Or if it does, name it! Cause in my quest for finding a solid high quality morphing effect plugin to seamlessly & smoothly morph between two sounds, I haven't found any that really shines or gives quality results. I'm not talking about some kind of vocoder pseudo morph effect, but a true morph plugin that would allow a flowing river sound to slowly morph into a barking dog for example.
Here is what I've found so far: there's the Prosoniq Morph but it's really old and after trying it, I honestly think it does sound quite bad at the end. Very poor morphing rendering quality. There's SpectrumWorx that is pretty cool and that does some types of strange wild morphing, vocoder & convolution effects, but it doesn't allow a simple but powerful morphing effect between 2 sounds. There's the GRM Tools Grinder that allows a certain form of morphing, but again it's more a vocoder distort type of sound than a true morphing effect.
That only leaves a few soft synths that do morphing, like Alchemy, Cube 2, Morphine (all of these I've tried and still not happy with the so-so results). The only ones that really seem to truly deliver are softwares like CSound & Kyma. But in the world of effect plugins with all the different effects available nowadays, why a good morphing plugin doesn't exist yet? No demand? Too complex to code and program? Too cpu demanding?
What do you guys think?
Here is what I've found so far: there's the Prosoniq Morph but it's really old and after trying it, I honestly think it does sound quite bad at the end. Very poor morphing rendering quality. There's SpectrumWorx that is pretty cool and that does some types of strange wild morphing, vocoder & convolution effects, but it doesn't allow a simple but powerful morphing effect between 2 sounds. There's the GRM Tools Grinder that allows a certain form of morphing, but again it's more a vocoder distort type of sound than a true morphing effect.
That only leaves a few soft synths that do morphing, like Alchemy, Cube 2, Morphine (all of these I've tried and still not happy with the so-so results). The only ones that really seem to truly deliver are softwares like CSound & Kyma. But in the world of effect plugins with all the different effects available nowadays, why a good morphing plugin doesn't exist yet? No demand? Too complex to code and program? Too cpu demanding?
What do you guys think?
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- KVRAF
- 4881 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
I've wondered the same thing (and btw, Prosoniq if just for the Mac).
We had discussion for some months ago (see link) to which also Camelaudio
people took part. But nothing in this area has happened since, to my dissapointment. H.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... highlight=
We had discussion for some months ago (see link) to which also Camelaudio
people took part. But nothing in this area has happened since, to my dissapointment. H.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... highlight=
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4218 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
Interesting... And nice to see I'm not the only one wondering why. I'm totally aware though that it's a very niche type of effect, probably used only by pure sound designers or experimental oriented artists. Maybe that's why developers are not very interested into that type of effect... Still, I think it would also be beneficial to other genres.
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- KVRAF
- 3561 posts since 20 Jun, 2002
There's no such thing, when you morph it's between specific characteristics/features of a sound, but which of them?but a true morph
There's most likely no set of features that will work well for every kind of sound. And this is not even taking the technical aspect into account (morphing is easy, properly extracting the features of a sound, that's the far future. And doing analysis is always easier on an existing bit of audio than on a live stream).
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- KVRist
- 138 posts since 31 Mar, 2004 from Nuremberg
What would be the sound you expect in this example in between the river and the dog?Neon Breath wrote:... but a true morph plugin that would allow a flowing river sound to slowly morph into a barking dog ...
How would it sound?
Have you an example for this morph sound?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4218 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
I don't have THIS specific effect as example, since it was just an example idea thrown in , but here are some other morph examples in Kyma:tweiss2000 wrote: What would be the sound you expect in this example in between the river and the dog?
How would it sound?
Have you an example for this morph sound?
Harp sound morphed in a dog bark: http://ssc-media.com/Audio/mp3/harpguitdog.mp3
A woman into cat, a baby into dog, a dog into a Harley, a woman into a little boy: http://ssc-media.com/Audio/mp3/morphs.mp3
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4218 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
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- KVRian
- 1099 posts since 30 Oct, 2005
like a barking river...tweiss2000 wrote:What would be the sound you expect in this example in between the river and the dog?Neon Breath wrote:... but a true morph plugin that would allow a flowing river sound to slowly morph into a barking dog ...
How would it sound?
- KVRAF
- 4881 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
Cool. The matrix interface is familiar in e.g. the Alchemy or FM8.Neon Breath wrote:Another interesting example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt9tXXaXRrM
My question is same what you made: why aren't developers such as Camelspace, Fabfilter or Waves interested producing a high quality audio morhing plugin. I don't see this just a niche application at all - new innovations could be included to the morhping idea. H.
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- KVRAF
- 6425 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
Did you look at Waves Morphoder:
http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=242
I haven't played around too much with it yet, but I seems it might do the work you ask for.
http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=242
I haven't played around too much with it yet, but I seems it might do the work you ask for.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4218 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
Cool, but still a vocoder effect with a carrier and a modulator, not audio morphing between two sources.lfm wrote:Did you look at Waves Morphoder:
http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=242
I haven't played around too much with it yet, but I seems it might do the work you ask for.
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 9 Jan, 2011
I think the best solution is to use a synthesizer that can morph presets, and then become very good at programming it
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4218 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
Hmmm no I'm afraid a simple preset morph would only volume-cross fade between the two presets, and not truly and harmonically morph by interpolation into each other.manvanmars wrote:I think the best solution is to use a synthesizer that can morph presets, and then become very good at programming it
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- Beware the Quoth
- 33168 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
I didnt find the Kyma examples that compelling TBH.
But you could always the Cross Synthesis plugin in this one :
http://www.fluxhome.com/products/plug_ins/ircam_trax
But you could always the Cross Synthesis plugin in this one :
http://www.fluxhome.com/products/plug_ins/ircam_trax
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 9 Jan, 2011
Ok, guess you would have to automate the parameters between presets then.... Only not sure if it would be worth the time, that's gonna be really messy...Neon Breath wrote:
Hmmm no I'm afraid a simple preset morph would only volume-cross fade between the two presets, and not truly and harmonically morph into each other.