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Because of CE/FCC testing approval for interference, this will add tens of 1000s of $ onto initial cost. Thats why PC in a box type music products are more expensive to commercially make than you might imagine. That woudl push the price to around $2500+ IMHO.

Stll trying to figure out how to map 14bit midi with BCR2000 and DIva to have smooth filter curves under fingers.
I understand that If you draw automation it goes to 32bit resolution but is it a visual bug in Diva that when you play that automation , knobs on filters are not smooth (visually) especially if you draw from min to max value in say 1 bar loop
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Do you consider/think the current 14bit MIDI standard NRPN/RPN specs, is SUFFICIENT for reaching a satisfactory level of controller smoothness, given that I have a controller that supports the standard as it is? Or do you think that the MIDI standard needs to be updated?

(Sorry, I haven't read the 75 pages of this topic, just the first 3-5 posts.)

Sure DIVA sounds nice, but having Omnisphere+Trilogy already, I don't really see the need for it. Can't find anything special in DIVA that hasn't been around in several other VST-synths for several years already.

On top of that, the DIVA is, compared to those other synths, very high maintenance CPU-wise. So, in some way, I can see at least one reason for its name. And, just like in real life, there is no reason to put up with it.

The 'Software to Analog' arguments are always a hot topic.

I find myself using more and more software, mainly because it's so much easier to get polyphony, sync, and record. I don't have to wait 10 minutes for VCOs to warm up and I don't have to worry about drifting between takes.

I can spot differences between my analog and digital synths, but in blind tests in my own studio I find it much harder to tell nowadays. I may have to make slight adjustments to make synths like ACE sound more alive, but the ability is there to do that.

Personally, I wish I had the opportunities musicians have today when I was younger. When I first started composing I needed a sequencer, a mixer, a recorder, a few keyboards, etc... What a pain! Today you can literally emulate a studio with dozens of synthesizers for a fraction of the cost and do it all in a room the size of a closet!

People will always have an opinion about instruments. People hated electric guitars when they first came out. They hated digital pianos. They hate electronic drum machines. People like to hate in general, because it's easier to hate than to accept the world is changing.

I don't even care if my VST sounds like analog anymore. I just care if it's inspiring and sounds good. At the end it's not the instrument that makes the artist...

this ^^^

Though I'm surprised this topic keeps coming back up. It will be dead and then "poof"

+1 It felt just like that growing up in the 80's.

But as I remember then people who grew up in the 70's would say, oh man, you kids in the '80s have it so easy, you just need to get Korg M1 and all your needs are done for

Tell me about it! I remember racking my brain circa 1992 trying to figure out a halfway affordable way to get into digital recording and editing, even looking for the least expensive samplers with large memory capacity to use as makeshift multitrack playback devices (but the crazy high price of RAM back then made even that an expensive proposition). Pro Tools systems were out of reach for most home recordists, at something like $20G just to get 16 tracks. Now all a kid starting out needs is an under $1G PC, a $200 audio interface, and a $60 copy of Reaper to blow all of that out of the water.

As far as DIVA goes, I knew it was something different as soon as I tried making Moog-like basses with it, which had been a not-entirely-satisfying experience with every other softsynth I'd used (including Omnisphere, which has the sampled Moog waveforms but not the detailed emu of Minimoog envelope and filter behavior needed to drive it home).

Great post dude, this should be a sticky.

Here is my vote for the "Post of year" award.

To OP,

I do not think many average listeners care about digital vs analog synths... they are just seeing if any song has emotion, cool sounds or a connection with them. I think it is us gear heads that get wrapped up in the whole "analog" hardware vs. digital vs. VSTs.

I am willing to bet that a lot of top producers would never even think about going back to the unflexible mess of cables and MIDI CC... it is so nice to have everything wrapped up inside 1 file, on 2 copies on the computer and usb back-up, can send it to a friend, etc.

I truly hope hardware simply just becomes a seamless integration to make the whole digital VST world more organic like the iPad has done for computing.

No reason to move around a studio when you can do it on a laptop.

I agree. One of the best posts I've ever read...on any subject.
I especially like the line..."People like to hate in general".
to proto39

why would I want to get diva over dcam if the price is less and they basically do the same thing well

They are advertised to do the same thing, but they don't sound the same. Synth Squad is a good product, but I don't feel it's as close to analog as Diva. I also never used anything but Strobe out of the DCAM bundle, so I like Diva because it's nice and focused and doesn't come with anything you won't use.