I'm not a programmer myself but is there really "no way around that"? I have omnisphere, it does not save the location of the .DLL anywhere and you can freely move it anywhere you want and point your DAW to that folder and it will work. You can even manually move the entire sound library and the plugin will just ask you where you put it the next time you load. Again, not a programming guru, but shouldn't it be fairly easy to have a program look for the location it itself resides in?

Thanks for the reply. It's good to hear that there's been progress on the installer front etc., remember to include those in changelogs, I look for those carefully

Hi Ben how many people do you have working there for the company?thank you

Jamie,

See company page on our site:

http://www.camelaudio.com/company.php

Peace,
Andy.

This is not what I've heard. There are some here on KvR that have a Kyma system. Would be nice to get this verified.

As far as I know, it's actually pretty easy and straight forward to get very satisfying morphs with a Kyma system. The whole point of it being that it's relatively easy when using any of the supplied templates/presets.

If it would be excruciatingly difficult then we'd have quite a lot of audio and video examples of horrible morphs.. I've found none so far. They are all pretty impressive compared to anything else. Sure, some sound worse than others but when compared to any other product they all sound way smoother.

.. which is something I'd like to mention. It's not just the "accuracy" of the morph in the Kyma or the "in between" combo.. it's the smoothness of the sound while doing the morphing. It doesn't feel grainy or stepped.. it's very fluid. My guess is that it produces very little unwanted distortions or aliasing or something. The smoothness I hear is kind of comparable to a hard working compressor at no oversampling and at maximum oversampling. For instance, take The Glue compressor. Smack it like crazy so that it is doing tons of compression, moving from zero to 10dB of compression at the fastest release time. Now compare it's sound at no oversampling versus the insane 64x oversampling when running at 96kHz (becomes several mega hertz of resolution). There's a very clear difference which I'd describe as "smoothing" difference. The non-oversampled render sounds slightly "blocky / grainy" whereas the massively oversampled one sounds smooth.

So, I may be ignorant in this matter but as far as I know, Kyma is pretty "magical" when it comes to morphing things. Would be nice to be proven wrong.

Cheers!
bManic

Hey Ben (and other camels), thanks for the info!

If we can have FM integrated in Alchemy 2 like in the upcoming SPIRE synth i would be more than happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2Ul MRbnM9Io#t=78s
And why not get inSPIREd by some of the other great features in SPIRE, like Unison Octave....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cx_02 tEHpK8

Awesome

Cool the hear about all the talk on re-synthesis...

For Alchemy 2 I am mainly interested in improved re-synthesis and improvements to additive and spectral usability. For example the tools for painting in spectral mode are kinda poor (sorry peeps). Also, it would be sweet to have some higher level tools for smartly editing partials in musically interesting ways.

Cheers

That sounds great if you can split the sound up in that way this will probably work just as well.

You may also be right about that 4 part harmony in the Kyma demo. I would have to go back and watch the talk he gave.

And I will back you up that some of the really amazing morphs did take a lot of prep work but you can see from the youtube vid of the 4 way morph that it's still pretty good with just real time manipulation (although the tau editor vids show some preproduction might be needed).

Plus Kyma is not exactly integrated in the same way a plugin is plus I can use loads of Alchemy vsts without needing to bounce down same reason my lovely nord modular sits there lonely nowadays!

Will email you guys soon.

I know it maybe many many months before beta but I will try and survive without Kyma till then especially when it seems you guys have the abilities to do it in version 2! Very exciting. Keep up the excellent work!

Guys, that morphing discussion is really, really interesting and I've read it all as I'm very interested into sound morphing me too. Funny timing also by the way, as there's a discussion going on right now about audio morphing as a plugin effect, in the effect section: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=373491

Ok, here's my little story about morphing with Alchemy. When I first started experimenting the morphing in Alchemy, I admit I simply just thrown a bunch of random samples in the additive resynthesis engine and started to morph them quickly in Morph XY mode and then be disappointed with the results and just stopped trying after a few minutes. Then one night I decided to take my time, and really try experimenting more seriously and more deeply into Alchemy's ability to morph. Honestly, since I've spent many hours experimenting I have to say I got better with the morphs and I achieved some pretty surprising results. But... Read me well here, it takes TIME. Lot of time, clicks, sound import, adjust, tweak, re-import, re-adjust, re-tweak, throw all in garbage and start over again. I've learned there's definitely no magic recipe except time and lot of experimentation. The results I achieved would not always be qualified as 'musical' for a lot of people but still, they're quite interesting in term of pure sound design audio morphing & experimental sound researches. If you want, when I have the time I can upload some audio examples for you guys, see what you think. I'm not saying what I did is perfect, but there's room for experimentation and really cool surprising results here... But you must invest many hours before nailing something interesting.

I really believe Alchemy is not far away from being a very solid morphing tool. I would not say as smooth and buttery as Kyma but I think it's already pretty close to be just right after Kyma, one of the best morphing tools around. And this is especially true if Camel Audio are already planning to work more at improving Alchemy's morphing features & engine... Please guys, don't let it go and keep working on this already amazing feature! The mechanics are there, everything is in place, it just needs some polishing...

I began experimenting with morphing with Kyma, but I had very similar experience as Neon with Alchemy. I thought that I could throw in a musical piece and a nature atmo and morph between them to find something interesting in between. I found distortion. Actually even without morphing the additive resynthesis sounds slightly distorted in Kyma. You all have probably found out in Alchemy too that it's not hard to pick by AB testing the original and the additive resynthesis.

I find some of the Kyma examples very nice, but I've not been able to do it myself. It probably takes time and skill more than I have. Also the only quite ok morphing experiment with Alchemy was with some example sounds from Kyma which were of course carefully chosen for demo. My point is not to rant about Alchemy, nor Kyma. I love Alchemy. I just really really wish that v2 can do beautiful smooth morphing with reasonable effort. So please Camels, don't care about us hurrying the release. Take your time to make it superb.

For the ones who are interested, I posted a few examples of what Alchemy can do with morphing from one sound to another, here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5247597#524759 7

And it's well worth following this link to hear them

Thanks NB!


Martin

I appreciate, thanks!

Just wanted to back Ben up a bit more that he was right about the importance of being able to strip out and manipulate/morph formants as probably being the key things to morphing sounds (especially if they are the same pitch.)

Formants define the character of the sound and Kyma's morph algos do allow for treating formants separately so if we can get this in Alchemy 2 I think they might crack it!

This still means that certain sine waves in one sound may still have to fall or rise to meet the ones in the sound your morphing into for particular sounds sources but these are not harmonics in the normal sense.