"you must understand"!Numanoid wrote:What you must understand
Sound Character Of Diva
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
OK, let's try to rephrase that shall we, "what you must try to understand"hakey wrote:"you must understand"!Numanoid wrote:What you must understand
Feeling better then?
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FeelingMachine FeelingMachine https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=288002
- KVRist
- 98 posts since 16 Sep, 2012
Did they already invent jokes about the carbon footprints of threads ?
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- KVRist
- 396 posts since 17 Mar, 2005 from Cumbria, England
That would be my fault. I told Paul to ask for that review. I was so taken with the sound of DIVA I thought that he should review it for SOS. Thankfully, he liked as much as I did.Numanoid wrote:The guy reviewing Diva has been producing and making records for over 30 years.
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
I forgot that you are snowed in, metaphoricallyhakey wrote:tone down the silly rhetoric - why must I try?
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
OK so you know the reviewer. Can you testify that he knows analogue synths inside and out, and thus is more capable of making a sound judgment about Diva's sound quality, rather than newbies like me or others who have been playing with plugins just a couple of years or so.Synthbuilder wrote:That would be my fault. I told Paul to ask for that review. I was so taken with the sound of DIVA I thought that he should review it for SOS. Thankfully, he liked as much as I did.Numanoid wrote:The guy reviewing Diva has been producing and making records for over 30 years.
That is the point I'm trying to make, about taking note of the knowledge of expert users.
- KVRAF
- 2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"
I use Zebra in everything and I can use like 10 of em' So it wouldn't matter how amazing Diva is I'd take Zebra for that reason alone. But Zebra also sounds great so I'm waiting until Diva gets an arp, or I get a new computer... whichever comes first!
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- KVRist
- 396 posts since 17 Mar, 2005 from Cumbria, England
Paul's been playing synths for well over 30 years. He knows his stuff alright. I like to think that I do too.Numanoid wrote:Can you testify that he knows analogue synths inside and out, and thus is more capable of making a sound judgment about Diva's sound quality, rather than newbies like me or others who have been playing with plugins just a couple of years or so.
But that doesn't mean that I think DIVA is a 100% exact analogue emulation. It's not. But it sure as heck gets as close as need it to for the sort of patches I do on it.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105846 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- u-he
- 28063 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Actually, Paul was quite sceptical before the review. Some comments on Facebook suggest that he hadn't had any high hopes, he even disliked the whole concept of Diva. When I heard that he'd write a review, I almost fainted. Thus I was *very* happy when his review turned out to be positive.Synthbuilder wrote:That would be my fault. I told Paul to ask for that review. I was so taken with the sound of DIVA I thought that he should review it for SOS. Thankfully, he liked as much as I did.Numanoid wrote:The guy reviewing Diva has been producing and making records for over 30 years.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105846 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- KVRAF
- 1731 posts since 28 Dec, 2007
I have posted elsewhere that it does sound quite strident in the high freq. On the flipside - it is one of the few synths that captures the brightness of an analogue oscillator - and to do that - I think you need to oversample. Hence the CPU cost.daExpert wrote:I hear people rave about how awesome Diva is and I just don't see it. It's a nice synth but I feel that it has some weaknesses.
I find it sounds somewhat harsh in the higher frequencies, it's an unpleasant harshness that neither zebra or ace have.
The filters have some nice warmth to them, but the front to back depth is just not there. When you sweep the filters on the KLAE MS-20 or V-Station there is a front to back sensation of the sound jumping out at you, whereas in Diva the sound stays flat and 2-dimensional, regardless of the interesting warmth and harmonics going on.
The oscillators by themselves have a thinness in the upper registers.
For the sound it gives you it uses up rather large amounts of CPU.
Maybe this post will trigger some new ideas and thoughts. God bless.
However - I feel some of the harsh high end is more to do with the fact that perhaps a high amount of high freq energy can sound harsh if it is quite static. So unlike an analogue high end - where there is some movement - Diva I suspect is quite uniform being a digital model.
Personally I feel that Diva filters are excellent. Very accurate - however as I also wrote elsewhere I feel there is some small thing missing which is again a lack of something - maybe dynamics or saturation - that means the sound is a bit muted when the cutoff is closed...
Not sure about the front to back depth issue you mention...I wonder if it is due to the fact that sometimes there is a volume change which means the sound is slightly quieter - making it not 'jump out' as much...
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